Exposed Card

[Pelerus]

At a SP21 table that I played in AC recently, a dealer error resulted in an undealt card being exposed. The situation unfolded as follows: When the dealer was playing out her own hand, she accidentally drew another card onto a soft hand that she was supposed to stand on. After immediately realizing her mistake, she removed the card from the the layout, tucked it underneath the shoe, and called over the pit.

It would perhaps add a little more suspense to the story to mention that the card was an Ace, and that I was sitting at first base.

She explained what had happened to the PB and showed him that the card was an A, and to my utter shock and horror he took the card and buried it in the middle of the discards with a ****-eating grin.

He noticed the "WTF" expression on my face and explained, "Sorry, gaming rules don't permit us to allow players to know a card in their hand before they place their bet."

True or false? And more importantly: to throw down with the PB or not to throw down - that is the question. :whip:

 

[zengrifter]

He noticed the "WTF" expression on my face and explained, "Sorry, gaming rules don't permit us to allow players to know a card in their hand before they place their bet."

True or false? And more importantly: to throw down with the PB or not to throw down - that is the question. :whip:

True and Not. zg

 

[Pelerus]

True and Not. zg

ZG, I would have expected you to put up more of a fight.

But I suppose discretion is the better part of valor, after all... and I did side with discretion in this case.

 

[zengrifter]

ZG, I would have expected you to put up more of a fight.

I very well might, but do as I say and not as I do. zg

 

[Sucker]

He noticed the "WTF" expression on my face and explained, "Sorry, gaming rules don't permit us to allow players to know a card in their hand before they place their bet."

True or false? And more importantly: to throw down with the PB or not to throw down - that is the question. :whip:

I'm not aware of any jurisdiction in which that's a rule that's imposed by the gaming commission. However; burning an exposed card is a house rule in almost every casino on Earth. I can think of only two places in the U.S. where the house rules would allow that card to be dealt (and would let you bet the max).

A couple of questions: How many punches do you think you would have gotten in, before security got there & beat the sh*t out of you? Also; do you know a good bail bondsman? 'Cause you'd sure be NEEDING one, right after you got out of the hospital!

 

[Pelerus]

A couple of questions: How many punches do you think you would have gotten in, before security got there & beat the sh*t out of you? Also; do you know a good bail bondsman? 'Cause you'd sure be NEEDING one, right after you got out of the hospital!

"Throw down" was meant in the purely rhetorical and most highly respectful sense, of course.

On the other hand, if necessary I certainly could plow through a mob of security guards like hit girl in Kick-Ass... :laugh: j/k

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

I'm not aware of any jurisdiction in which that's a rule that's imposed by the gaming commission. However; burning an exposed card is a house rule in almost every casino on Earth.

Minus the UK. And I agree, I'm not aware of "gaming" rules requiring a burn for exposed cards. It's simply house policy, and another example of the ol' floorperson/pit boss shifting the blame to a non-existent "law" or "gaming rule."

 

[blackriver]

same story just happened to me a couple weeks ago. instead of burning it he put it on top of the discards. i dropped my jaw and just looked at him like starving peasant having just had a loaf of bread snatched out of my hands. im usually very likable and have been told (in a few ways) i usually get what i want "but you make them want to give it"

i think my body language reflexively conveyed "if thats how it is im out of here"

he let me keep the ace but i couldnt change my bet. i suggested doubling it and even pretended i was going to. probably couldve gotten away with that, but not worth the heat

 

[MangoJ]

Where is the difference between burning that card and placing it in discard tray ? If you don't see the card, it won't change the count.

 

[21gunsalute]

I'm not aware of any jurisdiction in which that's a rule that's imposed by the gaming commission. However; burning an exposed card is a house rule in almost every casino on Earth. I can think of only two places in the U.S. where the house rules would allow that card to be dealt (and would let you bet the max).

A couple of questions: How many punches do you think you would have gotten in, before security got there & beat the sh*t out of you? Also; do you know a good bail bondsman? 'Cause you'd sure be NEEDING one, right after you got out of the hospital!

Seriously? I've seen this happen in several casinos in this region and every time w/o exception the PC determined that the exposed card will be the next card played. In fact I got to double down on hard 13 against a 10 once because the exposed card was an 8.

 

[farmdoggy]

Well I passed up a nice scavenger opportunity last night.

Dealer is involved in a conversation at a $5 table as he proceeds to flip his hole card. He has a 10 up, flips a ten, and removes a card from the shoe and half deals it before he catches himself. He say's "whoops don't need that one" and places the card face down on the felt, and continues talking as he's collecting the bets... I didn't see the card, but I was sitting next to 1st base, and I thought he most likely did. I lean over and ask in a low voice "what's your next card going to be?" He says "Ace". I say "you should bet big." He says "ok"... His bet? $7.50 :laugh:
I say "Really, that's it?" and he says "That's all I got."

I only had a few seconds to react, and the dealer is also a PC on occasion, so I ended up not doing anything about it... 1st base got a natural :sad:

 

[FLASH1296]

What was my equity?

Utter Nonsense ! The Pit Boss may be called or the floorperson may make the ruling, but ...
I have been able to play with knowledge of the next card at A.C. BJ tables several times over the years.

I had this experience in A.C.:

I am playing Span21, the count is awesome; and I have a Table Max bet out.

The dealer "accidentally" exposes her hole card, not by assuming that I was standing, but by clumsily flipping instead of tucking her hole card.

She showed us a deuce to go with her Trey upcard.

I have a SOFT 19.

What would you do?

The ploppies go nuts trying to hector me into standing.

The floor-person says ... "What's it going to be?"

What would you do ? L.O.L.

:devil: