Guerrilla vs Gorilla

[gothic]

I cannot see the point in the 'gorilla' teamplay design... BS takes way longer to learn than counting Hi-Lo, (for anyone with basic math skills) so wouldn't it make so much more sense to take a little longer training someone who didn't need help everytime they placed a bet? My friend insists he's worth taking along to the spot (casino I go to... no, it's not called the 'spot'), but I say "play slots and love it" (he barely has BS down, can count okay, but no use of incides). My bankroll is very replenishable, nadda worry, but I still don't want to lose. I've read books (that's plural) about gorilla teamplay (as opposed to counting BP teamplay) and I guess it worked with a knowledgable controller, but it seems like more hassle to me. Anybody got an opinion? (I know I do!)

Gawthic

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I do a lot of team play, and my advice is to not use him. You want to play with people who make 0 BS mistakes, can prove their counting ability and are familiar with a fair amount of indices.

I personally wouldn't use the Gorilla method except for special situations.

 

[Sucker]

I cannot see the point in the 'gorilla' teamplay design...

I have almost exclusively used "gorilla" team play for the bulk of my 30 year blackjack career. Today I can walk into just about any casino on the planet and sit down to play, without drawing the slightest bit of suspicion. Very few career players can say that, even after only a few years of play.

To me, that is the main (perhaps the ONLY) point of "gorilla" play. Gorillas are expendable; counters are NOT!

wouldn't it make so much more sense to take a little longer training someone who didn't need help everytime they placed a bet?

Well, yes; it's nice when the gorilla has SOME knowledge, but the job is not exactly rocket science. I've used people as gorilla bps who had never been inside a casino in their life, and who did a very fine job after less than one hour of going over a few signals. On the other hand, I've used people who claimed to be expert counters, and who did a HORRIBLE job.

BS takes way longer to learn than counting Hi-Lo, (for anyone with basic math skills)

This is a ridiculous statement. Learning BS is the PREREQUISITE to ALL blackjack counting systems.

 

[zengrifter]

Contrary to Uston, gorillas don't require BS, they can work fine with just the signals. zg

 

[gothic]

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I get it. Basic Strategy is level one stuff... the main meat of the game. Okay, but that took me four times as long to get down than simply counting and converting. My counting skills were built much more rapidly than I was able to remember different BS tables for different BJ games. For example, before I played single deck, I had to learn the differences in BS, but I already knew how to count very quickly and accurately. Therefore, yeah, counting is easier to learn than basic strategy, but probably harder to master in the long run, when a player includes shuffle tracking yadda yadda.

Gothic

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I have almost exclusively used "gorilla" team play for the bulk of my 30 year blackjack career. Today I can walk into just about any casino on the planet and sit down to play, without drawing the slightest bit of suspicion. Very few career players can say that, even after only a few years of play.

To me, that is the main (perhaps the ONLY) point of "gorilla" play. Gorillas are expendable; counters are NOT!


Well, yes; it's nice when the gorilla has SOME knowledge, but the job is not exactly rocket science. I've used people as gorilla bps who had never been inside a casino in their life, and who did a very fine job after less than one hour of going over a few signals. On the other hand, I've used people who claimed to be expert counters, and who did a HORRIBLE job.





This is a ridiculous statement. Learning BS is the PREREQUISITE to ALL blackjack counting systems.

But why use Gorillas? Just because if they get blown out you can get another one quick as opposed to finding qualified BPs?

 

[johndoe]

But why use Gorillas? Just because if they get blown out you can get another one quick as opposed to finding qualified BPs?

That's exactly the reason. They're readily available, and cheap and quick to train, at least compared to counters. Essentially disposable.

 

[gothic]

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Whaddabout single deck? Wouldn't the controller need to know what the gorilla had before sending a signal? Kinda tough in a pitch game, making it necessary for a counting BP IMO. Of course I am a newbie... (I love this excuse! ha ha)

Gothic

 

[Sucker]

Whaddabout single deck? Wouldn't the controller need to know what the gorilla had before sending a signal? Kinda tough in a pitch game, making it necessary for a counting BP IMO. Of course I am a newbie... (I love this excuse! ha ha)

Gothic

Actually, that's a very good question. It's often necessary to have him sit next to you so that he can flash his hand to you (in such a way that it's not obvious).

 

[zengrifter]

But why use Gorillas? Just because if they get blown out you can get another one quick as opposed to finding qualified BPs?

Thats a strong reason in itself.

Hey, did anyone catch 60-Minutes in 1980 when Harry Reasoner gorilla'd for Uston at Riviera? zg

Ps - I couldn't find the 60-Minutes, but I did find the Ken Uston
Story produced by Ky & Mo's 7th grade math class >>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1UpHriFuDY