Have you had success asking a dealer to cut deeper?
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Cardcounter
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Asking for penetration!
I have had customers ask me why do you cut so deep when I cut off more than 2 decks. The next shoe I might make it a point to cut of 1 deck. On a 6 deck shoe I will cut of an average of about 60-75 cards but I have cut of as little as 45 cards! cut of ranges from 45-140 if the shoe has been running real bad for the house the pit boss can request that I cut the shoe in half, this is rare. On single deck I might deal down to 10-13 cards left before shuffling unless I suspect you of card counting. How good of penetration do you get on 6 deck shoes and single deck.
I have had customers ask me why do you cut so deep when I cut off more than 2 decks. The next shoe I might make it a point to cut of 1 deck. On a 6 deck shoe I will cut of an average of about 60-75 cards but I have cut of as little as 45 cards! cut of ranges from 45-140 if the shoe has been running real bad for the house the pit boss can request that I cut the shoe in half, this is rare. On single deck I might deal down to 10-13 cards left before shuffling unless I suspect you of card counting. How good of penetration do you get on 6 deck shoes and single deck.
SilentBob420BMFJ
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my thot is this.. why wouldnt the dealer always give good penetration? you will get more tips because more people will win (not sure about non card counters).. what incentive do you have to give 70% pen over 80% is another way of putting it
ihate17
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Pen does not matter to non counters
Better pen will often result in more tips because the dealer will deal more hands per hour. The ASM though, negates that because good or bad pen you get pretty close to the same amount of hands. Pen really does not matter to non counters.
ihate17
BobSilentBob420BMFJ said:
Better pen will often result in more tips because the dealer will deal more hands per hour. The ASM though, negates that because good or bad pen you get pretty close to the same amount of hands. Pen really does not matter to non counters.
ihate17
SilentBob420BMFJ
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what is an asm? auto shuffle machine? you still didnt answer my question.. what incentive does the dealer have to try and thwart card counters by giving shallow penetration? he has an incentive to give deep penetration, so why doesnt he do that? i would think all dealers would do as they are told, or cut deeper, but never shallower
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maybe
Maybe they are trying to impress management. One blackjack author,maybe Ian Andersen ? said he says to the dealer "today is my wifes 54th birthday,maybe I could get some good luck if you cut exactly 54 cards out"
Certainly worth a try. Of course always remember tokes can make a dealer happy and even cooperative.
Maybe they are trying to impress management. One blackjack author,maybe Ian Andersen ? said he says to the dealer "today is my wifes 54th birthday,maybe I could get some good luck if you cut exactly 54 cards out"
Certainly worth a try. Of course always remember tokes can make a dealer happy and even cooperative.
Mimosine
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in a counter free world casinos would make more money dealing deeper in a hand shuffled game. because more time would be spent dealing instead of shuffling.
ihate17's point is that ASMs do all the shuffling for you - which is the BULK of the time in between shoes. with an ASM you can cut off probably 50% of the cards and still deal more hands per hour than if you were only cutting off 5% in a hand shuffled game.
dealing deeper in general is better for the house for this reason.
ihate17's point is that ASMs do all the shuffling for you - which is the BULK of the time in between shoes. with an ASM you can cut off probably 50% of the cards and still deal more hands per hour than if you were only cutting off 5% in a hand shuffled game.
dealing deeper in general is better for the house for this reason.
Brutus
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ask to see more action in a + count. "if you shuffle now, its like saying good bye to an old friend" or whatever.
ask to shuffle early in a - count "these cards blow, could you shuffle up?" after a loss.
be creative, dont say the say ame thing every time.
I tip, am friendly with the dealers, horse around etc. I like them to feel comfortable.
ask to shuffle early in a - count "these cards blow, could you shuffle up?" after a loss.
be creative, dont say the say ame thing every time.
I tip, am friendly with the dealers, horse around etc. I like them to feel comfortable.
Martyk
I Am Surprised To Learn How Few Of You Play In Missisippi
It Is Worth The Trip.
The Cut Is Designated By A Mark On The Plastic Discard Holder. They Have Single And Double Deck Games, Six Deck Games Allow Surrender.
Craps Offer 20 Times Odds.
The Casino I Visit Knows I Count .the Watcher Has Said If You Get A Good Count So Does The Dealer. The Odds Don`t Change ,the Way You Play Does.
I Have Won 9 Out Of 12 Trips And Have Only Been Told I Would Not Be Comped 3 Times.
Other Places Pay All Expenses
I Am Surprised To Learn How Few Of You Play In Missisippi
It Is Worth The Trip.
The Cut Is Designated By A Mark On The Plastic Discard Holder. They Have Single And Double Deck Games, Six Deck Games Allow Surrender.
Craps Offer 20 Times Odds.
The Casino I Visit Knows I Count .the Watcher Has Said If You Get A Good Count So Does The Dealer. The Odds Don`t Change ,the Way You Play Does.
I Have Won 9 Out Of 12 Trips And Have Only Been Told I Would Not Be Comped 3 Times.
Other Places Pay All Expenses
SilentBob420BMFJ
Banned
1. the dealer gets at most 20% of that tip if its a small casino, and 2. people dont realize this, but tipping has a huge effect on your EV, but i guess you could also start including beer, gas, food, but tipping is just like comps imo, you should include it in your EV.. think of it this way next time you tip; if you flat bet $10, you are losing about $3 per hour (6d, s17, das, da2, split to 4), so if you tip the dealer $1 per hour, you are losing 33% more money, which is equivalent to the house edge going from .43 to .57 (almost the difference of S17 vs H17).. i know i sound like an ass, but the casinos are bastards, and the employees should understand that the players are getting RAPED and they need all the money they can get, and that they should be mad at the greedy casinos, not the the "greedy" playersrogue1 said:
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