I don't understanding this rating business by the PB

[Mr. T]

Why do you have the PB boss watching and rating each player. The players are playing a cat and mouse game with the pit boss all the time. The PB knows this better than the players. Some players don't use a players card and still get meal comps? What criterea do the PB use? Does it vary from PB to PB and from casino to casino.
Out here you hand your players card to the PB when you start to play. He then swipe your card on the gadget, just a time machine, I think and you get a predetermined number points for each hour of play. It is not a perfect system as the flat bettor benefits more but it is better than this cat and mouse game.

 

[ihate17]

Average bet and varied by casino

Besides time played, the floorman also figures your average bet and evaluates your skill at many but not all places.
Some casinos will give things like dinner comps to players without a players card and these are provided by the pit. Other casinos require a players card for a comp.
Casinos are very different. A flat bettor betting $20 and playing enough time will get fairly good comps at low roller places but will not even be rated at the higher profile places in Vegas.

ihate17

 

[EasyRhino]

Have you read Comp City by Max Rubin? If not, you should. Everybody should, but I know you particularly love comps, so it's a must-read.

Having see my own "account" up on a floor supervisor's screen one time, the following info was on my summary screen:

Signup date
Average bet ($25)
Skill estimate (average)
Theoretical loss (theo)
Actual win/loss
Comp balance

It's the "theos" that really drive everything. The comps usually don't care if you win or lose, just the amount of playthrough.

So, if you're playing for comps, you want to bet big when the pit is marking the rating card, and bet small when he's not. This may make them chalk you up with a higher average bet size. Then you want to play as slowly as possible, to make your actual losses smaller than your theoretical losses.

Also, you never want the pit to mark you down as a good player, because that would reduce the house's theoretical wins. However, I understand that player skill ratings are rarely adjusted.

Virtually every place I've been to has been about the player's card, and will generally restrict any comps without one. However, it wouldn't surprise me that if someone was betting fairly large, for a fairly long session, that they could probably score a meal comp (but they would be unlikely to "save" the comp for a later session).

Also, most places I've been to, while using one card for both table comps and the slot club, the comps themselves are in parallel universes Therefore you might want to use the table comps for meals and rooms, and the slot comps for cashback, etc.