I'm Confused help plz

[Xestar]

I'm really confused by this and somewhat sad also. :cry:

First I started out and learned the Hi/Lo system but I had a few problems calculating the True Count.

So I read about the KO-System wich doesn't have this Conversion to True count. So I had to get used tot his new system. Now I'm getting the hang of this one also.

And just a few minutes ago I read on the internet that the KO-System isn't as good as Omega II !!

And now I feel lost... I really don't know what to do now, I wanna learn a system, but dont want to waste my time learning a system that doesn't even work properly...
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So my question is: What is the best Card counting system there is ? And wich system is fairly easy to learn ?

I'm looking for a system that keeps good track of cards and can be used in most games ( From single-Deck to 8-Deck )


Hope to hear from u guys soon 'cause I really dunno what to do( I don't wanna keep switching systems all the time but just master one system )

 

[BAMA21]

If there was one system that was obviously the best and everyone could agree on it, we wouldn't need to even ask the question. So realize that you'll probably get as many different answers to that question as you would if you got on here and asked us which flavor of ice cream is the best.

I'm not a counter, as my eyesight prevents me from being able to do it effectively in a real casino. However, I have tried to learn a little about counting, just to round out my education a bit. So from my perspective, it seems that the various systems each have their own strengths and weaknesses. The one that is "best" for you would depend on your own ability, bankroll, and the types of games and situations you play.

If you do try to settle on a system that is flexible enough to work reasonably well with a wide range of games, you'll probably have one that will not be the absolute best at any one game. That is a trade-off; and you have to decide that for yourself.

If I was going to count, knowing what I know right now, I'd use the Red Seven count as presented by Arnold Snyder in Blackbelt in Blackjack, and on his website at blackjackforumonline.com It is an unbalanced count that he claims delivers about 80% plus of all the advantage you can get with a higher level count. It doesn't have many indices and will work for single deck and multi-deck with no true count conversions.

He says in the book that KO was a system he discarded when developing the Red Seven, and says that Red Seven is significantly stronger.

 

[Xestar]

Thanks for the crystal clear answer
I'm gonna find a system wich suits me then.

But what do you mean that your eyesight prevents you from doing it effectively ? (My eyes aren't so good for looking in the distance)
But you can wear glasses or something right ?

 

[BAMA21]

Actually, no. I have an hereditary problem that isn't correctable with lenses. I do wear glasses; but for a different problem. I am still "legally blind" with glasses. I can see everything at the table that I need to see for playing my own hand; but if I were going to be accurate in counting the cards that are dealt to others, I'd have difficulty concealing what I was doing from the pit.

For example, I understand that sitting on one end of the table or the other (first base or third base) is best for counters, so they can just glance down the table in a natural way and see everyone's cards. I'd have a very difficult time seeing the cards at first base if I were seated at third, and the other way around. I also have a harder time distinguishing some of the dealer's cards from the ends. That is why I like sitting in the middle of the table, where I can see the dealer cards clearly. However, to count from that spot, I'd have to constantly look back and forth, and even lean in occasionally to discern a card on the end. After a period of time, the pit would be foolish not to recognize that I am paying an inordinate amount of attention to the other players' hands.

Then, you add in the necessity to be aware of your surroundings, which is difficult for me. If the pit is on the phone and looking at me, I wouldn't know it. If they do anything to watch my play other than very obviously standing near the table, I wouldn't know it.

And there are other aspects of counting that I wouldn't be able to pull off either. For example, I couldn't backcount.

I have, however, recently become interested in trying to apply some counting when I play single-deck head to head with the dealer. We'll see how that goes. I have also been doing some research into a counting system that wouldn't require me to recognize all of the cards.

 

[PokerJunky]

So my question is: What is the best Card counting system there is ? And wich system is fairly easy to learn ?

I'm looking for a system that keeps good track of cards and can be used in most games ( From single-Deck to 8-Deck )

There are many card counting systems available: from a simple count (Hi-Lo) to a multi-level and multi parameter counts (Hi-Opt II tracking Aces on the side). Many systems claim to be the best, but it is up to you to do some research to find a system you will feel most comfortable to execute in a casino FLAWLESSLY. Implementing a sophisicated counting system in a casino that you will make mistakes with will defeat the purpose. The MIT chose the Hi-Lo system over the multi-level and multi parameter count system because they were able to execute it with a higher degree of accuracy (and they made millions!)

Best of Luck in your search...

 

[JJcoolL830]

Hi-Lo is best to start

I have only used (and probably will stick with) using the Hi-Lo system of card counting. It may not be the most accurate counting system since it requires counting a 2 and 6 as being the same negative value when removed from the deck as well as other simplifications. I use this system for the simplicity and because I am only a recreational player that likes to go the casino with a reasonable chance of winning some money playing blackjack. I usually start incrementally increasing my bet when the true count goes above +2 because I know I have a slight advantage when those counts arise.

I also find that counting cards with Hi-Lo is extremely easy if you deal with it in pairs rather than counting each card individually. When you deal in pairs you're running count will either increase by +2 decrease by -2 or remain unchanged as you scan over the cards at the table.

Rather simply: I would recommend all beginning card counters start out with Hi-Lo just to get a feel for counting. When you feel you are ready to "graduate" and are serious about putting in some hard work, start looking into other systems that better suit your strengths and weaknesses while giving yourself a little better edge than Hi-Lo such as the Hi-Opt counts, KO, Wong's Halves, etc.

 

[Xestar]

ah I see. It does sound logic to choose for a system you can handle without any mistakes. Thanks for the help everyone

And BAMA21, I hope you find such a system that doesn't require to see all cards. Best of luck to you !