Is it a bad idea to get rated when counting?

Nga1

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Is it a bad idea to get rated? I know it might seem like a silly question but I'm starting to wonder if it matters. Currently I don't clock in for cover purposes, but I would like to earn comps. Do they make notes on players they think look suspicious? It seems to me that the only difference with clocking in is that if I do get barred they will know my name, but does it really matter if they know the name of the person that can't play rather then just the face of that person?
 

kewljason

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Nga1 said:
Is it a bad idea to get rated?
I don't think there's a yes or no answer to your question. Depends on the circumstances, betting level ect and whether you are drawing heat.

for me, comps are a big part of my game. I don't count comps as part of my income but they play a big part in keeping my expenses low. I had over 80 comped rooms last year. without that, I would have played far fewer hours. I can only guess at the number of free meals (hundreds) If I had to pay for even part of them, my expenses would have skyrocketted. I play at a level ($25-$300) that doesn't draw much heat, so as long as the comps keep coming, playing rated is well worth it to me. If I get to the point that I'm drawing heat and getting less comps, I will re-evaluate.
 

Nga1

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Kewljason, what kind of cover plays do you make? I currently bet $10-$150 and sometimes get concerned with the amount of suspicion I seem to draw. I would think I would draw a lot of heat betting at your limits.
 

maverik

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Nga1 said:
Kewljason, what kind of cover plays do you make? I currently bet $10-$150 and sometimes get concerned with the amount of suspicion I seem to draw. I would think I would draw a lot of heat betting at your limits.
10-150 is low rolling, your probably spreading your bets to much man, you have a 1-15 spread maybe thats whats raising suspicion thats huge
 

Nga1

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maverik said:
10-150 is low rolling, your probably spreading your bets to much man, you have a 1-15 spread maybe thats whats raising suspicion thats huge
I realize 15-1 is huge, but do you think 12-1 draws significantly less heat? I'm new to card counting so any advice on avoiding heat would be appreciated.
 

mjbballar23

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It depends on the joint IMO. Some joints dont even pay any attention to people who arent being rated for comps, while other joints are most suspicious of those not being rated for comps. Try to figure out which category your joint falls into and play it from there.
 

Pro21

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My advice is to not use a card. Once you get burned in one place using a card your name will be burned everywhere else.

An exception would be to use it at one place for comps only to get your hotel room, but then don't use a big spread and figure your win is coming from the free room.
 

kewljason

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Nga1 said:
Kewljason, what kind of cover plays do you make? I currently bet $10-$150 and sometimes get concerned with the amount of suspicion I seem to draw. I would think I would draw a lot of heat betting at your limits.
I use very little cover. I keep my sessions very short and always end the session after shoes ending with big bets rather than going back to minimum wager.
 

kewljason

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moo321 said:
On a shoe game? 1-15 is the bare minimum. http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/6DeckText.htm

Anything smaller and you don't even have a 1% edge. 1-15 is a barely adequate spread, 1-30 is big.
You only need such a large spread because you are playing all those negative hands. Snyder shows 8 different betting spreads in the link you provided and all 8 are play all senarios, betting at least 1 unit in all negative counts. I leave the table at true counts of -1 or greater. If you dont play all those negative hands, a spread of 1-12 will produce more than a 1% edge. (probably even 1-10)
 
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moo321

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kewljason said:
You only need such a large spread because you are playing all those negative hands. Snyder shows 8 different betting spreads in the link you provided and all 8 are play all senarios, betting at least 1 unit in all negative counts. I leave the table at true counts of -1 or greater. If you dont play all those negative hands, a spread of 1-12 will produce more than a 1% edge. (probably even 1-10)
Yeah, 1-12 is fine with wongout.

Personally, if I'm playing a shoe, I wanna beat it like it stole something, so I'm spreading a lot.
 
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