KO Full strategy and TKO application

revrac

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I use the KO full strategy which implements changes to your plays based on the count at several different levels and number of decks (unlike the preferred which just implements the alterations to the basic strategy at the key count or pivot point regardless of number of decks). I have seen people posting to read the color of blackjack book which i just ordered but looking on the site it appears that this book may just deal with the preferred method and not the full method.

Does anyone know if it deals with the full method or just preferred? If only dealing with the preferred method, would it actually give more of an advantage to use the preferred method with the varying betting strategy in the "color of blackjack" or just using the full method described in the KO book?
 

boneuphtoner

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I'm no expert on KO-full, but isn't it essentially KO-Preferred betting with more precise and more indexes depending on the number of decks? If that is the case, the color of bj concepts will work just fine. But remember the color of bj captures some, though not all, of the power of TKO.
 

revrac

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boneuphtoner said:
I'm no expert on KO-full, but isn't it essentially KO-Preferred betting with more precise and more indexes depending on the number of decks? If that is the case, the color of bj concepts will work just fine. But remember the color of bj captures some, though not all, of the power of TKO.
Yes, that is the gist of it. The question i had really was it seems the way the color of BJ works that the more precise indices would change by a little bit, most probably only changing up or down by 1 but still was wondering.

Yeah, i know it doesn't get the full amount as using TKO but gets like 95% of the increase and thats good enough for me. I live far away from casinos so when i go I play for very long sessions and can use the KO method without being very mentally taxed.
 

aslan

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revrac said:
Yes, that is the gist of it. The question i had really was it seems the way the color of BJ works that the more precise indices would change by a little bit, most probably only changing up or down by 1 but still was wondering.

Yeah, i know it doesn't get the full amount as using TKO but gets like 95% of the increase and thats good enough for me. I live far away from casinos so when i go I play for very long sessions and can use the KO method without being very mentally taxed.
I hear people talking about TKO. Is it a system, or are you talking about using KO and converting it to TC? I have a TKO spreadsheet and get the gist of the lead and lag of the KO count with TC. Are those who play TKO actually making the adjustment to TC during the game, or is it a different system altogether? If it is a conversion process like Hi-lo to TC, what is the methodology? If it is a unique system, where can I learn more about it?
 

boneuphtoner

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aslan said:
I hear people talking about TKO. Is it a system, or are you talking about using KO and converting it to TC? I have a TKO spreadsheet and get the gist of the lead and lag of the KO count with TC. Are those who play TKO actually making the adjustment to TC during the game, or is it a different system altogether? If it is a conversion process like Hi-lo to TC, what is the methodology? If it is a unique system, where can I learn more about it?

See here from one of the masters of unbalanced true counting, in post #2...I've simmed it, and the results are impressive:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=12936

However, I find equating -4 TC to neutral as being awkward...perhaps I should give it more time
 
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