Lucky Dragon opening

KewlJ

Well-Known Member
#1
The Asian (obviously) themed Lucky Dragon Hotel and Casino will open Tomorrow, Saturday, Nov 19 at 4pm. This is a traditional Vegas type soft opening with the official grand opening in December. Lucky Dragon is located just off the strip near SLS.

Maybe we should all meet up wearing our best Asian disguises. :D


Edit: Originally, I posted that it was closer to Palace Station. I didn't realize it is on the east side of I-15 very close to the strip.
 
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Double Down

Guest
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6 deck machine shuffle dealt from a shoe. $10min-1000max limits. Mostly Asian Games, and mostly Chinese clients from China. They said you could get a high limit BJ upstairs, but need to reserve. Not sure if it's hand shuffle. Nice Asian Casino environment similar feel to Macau or Singapore. People friendly and very polite. I don't like the games tho. Too tight and dealer seemed NOT to break often. Not a big fan of ANY machine shuffle BJ games personally. Cards seemed clumped on every table I visited. Dealer would deal themselves TWO BIG cards, or if they had to hit, they would deal a bunch of small cards and make their hand 90% of the time. The only way I could win is if I had a 19, 20, or 21 it seemed. Played on 2 separate nights on multiple tables, and all of them seemed to have the same results. Not gonna risk it a third time, when there's still plenty of old school hand shuffle BJ games all over Vegas. Was there on a weekday. There were TWO tables open, but they have approx 5-6 that I counted. Maybe they are all open on the weekends??? I'd go for the food (authentic), but play your BJ somewhere else like the Nugget or the MGM properties where they still offer hand shuffle and I know that MGM high limit stands on all dealer soft 17's.
 

gronbog

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Double Down said:
Not a big fan of ANY machine shuffle BJ games personally. Cards seemed clumped on every table I visited. Dealer would deal themselves TWO BIG cards, or if they had to hit, they would deal a bunch of small cards and make their hand 90% of the time.
This is nothing but selective memory voodoo.
 
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Double Down

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gronbog said:
This is nothing but selective memory voodoo.
I am familiar with the psychological concept of "selective memory"..... You are wrong with your statement tho as it applied to my two recent trips to the Lucky Dragon. They were in fact actual scientific observations. Keep in mind, it was only two visits played on 5 separate tables, but I guarantee you that it was not selective memory. Now with that said, it is not out of the question that different results could occur in future trips, if I (or anyone else) decided to go there. So thanks for the suggestion that it was suggestive memory voodoo, but you are dead wrong. I am removing myself from this forum, as it's quite arrogant. Anyone who believes that a machine shuffle BJ game has the same results as a hand shuffle game, is quite frankly delusional (over the course of time and many tables). My observations are scientifically documented over years of observation. If you want to conclude that it is nothing more than selective memory voodoo, then this site is not worthy of my wisdom, and over 30 years of playing BJ thruout the world. I'll continue to share in my inner circle, but certainly not here. GodSpeed to all.......
 

sagefr0g

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sir, please reconsider your decision. this site is in the process of rebuilding after a long hibernation period. it has great potential and just the intuitive part of me believes that you can be a great part of this site.
gronbog is a real deal sort of a member, knowledgeable and wise to the extreme, imho. he doubtless has low regard for voodoo but high regard for real deal sort of actions and studies. he will doubtless get your point. this concept of bias isn't just a trap for dumb bunnies, but is a trap for even the most wise, knowledgeable and experienced of us. and yes, i recon you know that, but just saying, in the hope that you reconsider.

edit: point not being that your approach isn't scientific, point being that it appears that way on first glance to where one could through system1 thinking erroneously conclude it isn't scientific, even the most astute of us could fall for such a conclusion. that in all innocence on anyone's part.
that said, i could be wrong, lol.
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/community/threads/probably-be-a-good-read.54840/#post-491050
 
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gronbog

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I stand by what i wrote. To conclude that the ASM shufflers are clumping the cards in a way detrimental to the players is voodoo and while it is possible that the dealer really did hit out to 90% of his hands during the short period of time spanning 2 visits, i think that it is more likely that this is an eggagerated statistic and certainly not scientific evidence of anything.
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#8
@gronbog

yes, voodoo. also hypothetical. a conclusion, not so much, more so the above report (requested by xengrigter) of casino conditions described the reporters decision to avoid risk (associated with his uncertainty about asm shufflers and the like) based on his hypothesis with respect to card clumping. An exaggerated statistic from a short visit true, however his original post didn’t inform us of his many years of blackjack experience. the reporter may or may not be compiling data, i dunno. whether or not the reporter is an AP is a question in my mind. if he’s a card counter he may have walked away from an advantageous situation (opportunity cost) (but he stated he has other options), if he’s not an AP then his hypothesis at least temporarily saved him some money, lol.

now we come to my position (and i suspect one you hold as well, however perhaps in a currently more ambiguous state, hopefully my assessment shall sway you just a little bit), a position of which holds at least a fifty fifty respect for ‘voodoo’ or primordial hypothetical reasoning (ancient sort of methodologies, pre-math sort of thing) and that of our current state of the scientific method with all of it’s methods, math, theories, what have you. point being, it’s none of it perfect or complete, its evolving, and it arose from at least in part voodoo. my contention is that we should hold dear to us that which is voodoo (hypothetical initiated reasoning, no matter how flawed), if we have any desire to ever learn anything new. the trick being, that one avoids harm, which thankfully is a primordial instinct, leaving us free to dream and perhaps come up with new information.

case in point. it’s been my experience that one can profit from possibly flawed (filled with uncertainty) incomplete relatively small quantities of data. there are areas of advantage play for which that’s all one has hope of achieving information wise, but for which the advantage is definitely there. does one get it wrong sometimes? darned right one does, example: i lost a grand once over a faulty hypothesis. again, the trick being, that one avoids harm.

finally, please don’t take this diatribe the wrong way (after all you know i depend on you to keep my head straight regarding math stuffs). the primary reason i yack like this, is that i’m like a toddler taking his first steps, screaming in fear, all the way, knowing that there are people around, cheering that i may finally stand on my own two feet, and willing to lend me a hand should i topple over and yet encourage me to again give standing up a try, lol.

and, yes, i know, your position is, it’s still voodoo, in our card counting forum vernacular. i respect that.
 
#9
Double Down said:
My observations are scientifically documented over years of observation. If you want to conclude that it is nothing more than selective memory voodoo, then this site is not worthy of my wisdom, and over 30 years of playing BJ thruout the world.
That could be what, 3 million hands?
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#11
If it were scientific over the years, then why, oh why, was he playing a machine shuffled game in the first place? If his decision was not to play on the third night, then it was based on anecdotal evidence from the first two nights, not years of scientific study. Am I missing something?

Oh, hi, xen. Good to zee you again. ;)
 

aslan

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LVBear584 said:
A waste of time. No need to go there.
Exactly what friends of mine who went there reported, but I did not report since none were card counters per se. Nothing attractive about the games, mostly Asian, and a small place besides.
 

KewlJ

Well-Known Member
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LVBear584 said:
A waste of time. No need to go there.
Wait...what about the $8 sign-up bonus. :D I think in the final years of the Riviera, they offered a $3 sign-up bonus, so Lucky Dragon beats that. :rolleyes:
 
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KewlJ said:
Wait...what about the $8 sign-up bonus. :D I think in the final years of the Riviera, they offered a $3 sign-up bonus, so Lucky Dragon beats that. :rolleyes:
How is the bonus paid?
BTW are there any good slot-rebate new member bonuses left in town?
 
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