New regulation goes into effect in AC.

[NightOwl]

This could be interesting.
Dealing Blackjack From The Hand

 

[Pro21]

Great news.

 

[21forme]

If you thought the 4D Trop games were a counter magnet, just wait...

 

[nottooshabby]

Any bets on who will be the first to offer this?

 

[bjcount]

Looks like the rules will be open to the house, but may be.

6:5, H17, D9,10,11 only, nDoS, option to deal only 1 round in SD, and min 35% cut off

Have to run some sims on this mess...

BJC

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Great news.

Not so fast.

"The temporary amendment to N.J.A.C. 19:46-1.19 provides that blackjack using one or two decks of cards may be dealt from the dealer’s hand in accordance with the same procedures currently used in dealing the 6 to 5 blackjack variation."

6:5 SD in AC doesn't take a hole card.

 

[kewljason]

Looks like the rules will be open to the house, but may be.

6:5, H17, D9,10,11 only, nDoS, option to deal only 1 round in SD, and min 35% cut off

Have to run some sims on this mess...

BJC

The amendment clearly states the rules will be S17 and D9,10,11 only. I did not see mention of the blackjack payout. The constant referencing of 6-5 blackjack was in comparing the new rules to the rules already in place for the hand held 6-5 game, not stating that this new game would be 6-5. I suppose the lack of mention of the blackjack payout does indeed mean that it will be the house's choice.

If these are indeed 6-5 games, I don't see the point as the similar 6-5 already exists. If this is a 3-2 game, which my skeptical side finds hard to believe, could it be the result of increased competition coming next year from neighboring states Delaware, and PA? (although Pa still has yet to offically sign a law allowing tables games)

It figures that just as I begin to make my move west the games in the east will improve.

 

[bluewhaIe]

Trump Plaza

Any bets on who will be the first to offer this?

I bet Trump Plaza. What about you?

This top boss of Trump Plaza said these comments during an interview: "...We are doing our best to attract patrons to the hotel... that could net out at least $1 of profit.... We’re prepared now to forgo margin to get people here..."

Yes, he can. Trump Plaza's bj games will be improved. When he was the Vice President of Table Gaming, he brought all 6-deck-games to Borgata prior 2006, and now that he's the top boss in Trump Plaza, he surely can bring at least some 2-deck-games to Trump Plaza.

 

[kewljason]

I bet Trump Plaza. What about you?

This top boss of Trump Plaza said these comments during an interview: "...We are doing our best to attract patrons to the hotel... that could net out at least $1 of profit.... We’re prepared now to forgo margin to get people here..."

Yes, he can. Trump Plaza's bj games will be improved. When he was the Vice President of Table Gaming, he brought all 6-deck-games to Borgata prior 2006, and now that he's the top boss in Trump Plaza, he surely can bring at least some 2-deck-games to Trump Plaza.

You would think these casinos would start doing something to bring in people! Of course, we have been saying this for a couple years now. I've never paid for a room, so I don't worry about these things, but I see Bally's AC is offering rooms for $29 now! And I know these places like Trump Taj that have recently built new towers are sitting at very low occupancy at least during the weekdays when I'm there. Hell, they only have 1 or 2 people working the check-in counter, when it used to be a dozen. And still there is no line!

The only place doing any kind of business in AC is in the marina district.

 

[Nynefingers]

The amendment clearly states the rules will be S17 and D9,10,11 only.

I don't expect to be in AC anytime soon, so I only read the summary, but I did see this: "The temporary amendment to N.J.A.C. 19:46-1.10 requires the blackjack layout to include an inscription indicating that the dealer must draw to 16 and soft 17 if the casino licensee implements this optional drawing rule."

I assume that the "optional drawing rule" refers to dealing a handheld game, so that means it's H17, not S17. Or am I misinterpreting something?

 

[kewljason]

I don't expect to be in AC anytime soon, so I only read the summary, but I did see this: "The temporary amendment to N.J.A.C. 19:46-1.10 requires the blackjack layout to include an inscription indicating that the dealer must draw to 16 and soft 17 if the casino licensee implements this optional drawing rule."

I assume that the "optional drawing rule" refers to dealing a handheld game, so that means it's H17, not S17. Or am I misinterpreting something?

Oh my, You are correct. I read it incorrectly. My apologies to BJcount, who was correct initially.

 

[NightOwl]

Not so fast.

"The temporary amendment to N.J.A.C. 19:46-1.19 provides that blackjack using one or two decks of cards may be dealt from the dealer’s hand in accordance with the same procedures currently used in dealing the 6 to 5 blackjack variation."

6:5 SD in AC doesn't take a hole card.

The rules allow 6:5 SD to be dealt with out a hole card but don't require it.

19:47-2.6A
(h) In lieu of the procedures set forth in (d) through (g) above, a casino licensee may permit a blackjack dealer [in the 6 to 5 variation] to deal his or her second card face downward and to utilize a card reader device pursuant to N.J.A.C. 19:47-2.6(j) prior to dealing any additional cards to the players.

The amendment clearly states the rules will be S17 and D9,10,11 only. I did not see mention of the blackjack payout. The constant referencing of 6-5 blackjack was in comparing the new rules to the rules already in place for the hand held 6-5 game, not stating that this new game would be 6-5. I suppose the lack of mention of the blackjack payout does indeed mean that it will be the house's choice.

If these are indeed 6-5 games, I don't see the point as the similar 6-5 already exists. If this is a 3-2 game, which my skeptical side finds hard to believe, could it be the result of increased competition coming next year from neighboring states Delaware, and PA? (although Pa still has yet to offically sign a law allowing tables games)

It figures that just as I begin to make my move west the games in the east will improve.

That was my thought too, this rule doesn't mean that the casinos are going to offer pitch games, they're just getting everything in order to make them available depending on competition.

 

[bluewhaIe]

Good pitch games

You would think these casinos would start doing something to bring in people! Of course, we have been saying this for a couple years now. I've never paid for a room, so I don't worry about these things, but I see Bally's AC is offering rooms for $29 now! And I know these places like Trump Taj that have recently built new towers are sitting at very low occupancy at least during the weekdays when I'm there. Hell, they only have 1 or 2 people working the check-in counter, when it used to be a dozen. And still there is no line!

The only place doing any kind of business in AC is in the marina district.

Good pitch games will bring in customers!

"How Long? Not Long!" ---Dr. King

This post is for AC casino executives who have lurked here: it looks like you gentlemen need some helps to bring in customers. How do successful casinos bring in customers? It's simple. Give them good pitch games, and they will come! For example, the casinos below have offered the non-AC-games, and they get lots of customers.

Nov 2009	House						
Casino	Edge	Decks	Soft 17	BJ Pays	Tables	Minimum	Maximum
101	0.0018	1	Hit	1.5	5	$5 	$1,000 
102	0.0018	1	Hit	1.5	1	$5 	$200 
103	0.0019	2	Stand	1.5	7	$10 	$5,000 
104	0.0019	2	Stand	1.5	2	$500 	$10,000 
105	0.0019	2	Stand	1.5	8	$25 	$10,000 
106	0.0019	2	Stand	1.5	8	$25 	$10,000 
107	0.0019	2	Stand	1.5	4	$100 	$5,000 
108	0.0019	2	Stand	1.5	2	$100 	$5,000

 

[Tarzan]

Guess what compadres

Do you think for one minute that if AC casinos started to offer a double deck game that it would be any better than the single deck 6:5 garbage they have? H17, 6:5, no DAS, etc. and you have a game no better than the single deck 6:5. Garbage x2 is all--- They will jack the rules around that it is unbeatable and ridiculous and then cry in their beers over how bringing the game in didn't do them any favors after the novelty of it wears off and they fleece enough people for all it's worth to scare them out of wanting to play it.

They will not make a game that is fair or that anyone at all has a chance at. They are doomed and destined to make stupid moves and chase more people than they bring in because of the stupid asswipe x10 factor.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Do you think for one minute that if AC casinos started to offer a double deck game that it would be any better than the single deck 6:5 garbage they have? H17, 6:5, no DAS, etc. and you have a game no better than the single deck 6:5. Garbage x2 is all--- They will jack the rules around that it is unbeatable and ridiculous and then cry in their beers over how bringing the game in didn't do them any favors after the novelty of it wears off and they fleece enough people for all it's worth to scare them out of wanting to play it.

They will not make a game that is fair or that anyone at all has a chance at. They are doomed and destined to make stupid moves and chase more people than they bring in because of the stupid asswipe x10 factor.

Although experience has shown them the 6:5 SD experiment has failed in AC. Those tables are rarely full and carry only small action. It did not spread like it did in Las Vegas.

My guess: it'll be a high limit DD game and it'll be at Borgata or Caesar's.