Sahara game variant?

[Deleted member 3273]

Inspecting the rules i found a new variant what i like to be checked.

It is a double deck where you may triple instead of double. All rules are the same except blackjack pays even money. Re splitting is allowed up to three times including aces. What is the house edge from the top. Dealer and player push on blackjack, player gets payed.

Can anyone work out a simulation here!

thanks,

BARKING

 

[iCountNTrack]

Estimated house Edge 1.6%, run for your life!!!

 

[JSTAT]

Inspecting the rules i found a new variant what i like to be checked.

It is a double deck where you may triple instead of double. All rules are the same except blackjack pays even money. Re splitting is allowed up to three times including aces. What is the house edge from the top. Dealer and player push on blackjack, player gets payed.

Can anyone work out a simulation here!

thanks,

BARKING

Sure sounds like a count that would calculate blackjack frequencies would shine with pushed blackjacks paid. Tripling after doubling sounds interesting. So we double on 9 vs 6 and nail a 2. We can triple that bet on 11?

JSTAT

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Sure sounds like a count that would calculate blackjack frequencies would shine with pushed blackjacks paid. Tripling after doubling sounds interesting. So we double on 9 vs 6 and nail a 2. We can triple that bet that on 11?

JSTAT

So of course, the best count to use to maximize your EV when tripling on 11 is...

:devil:

 

[itakeyourmoney]

Sure sounds like a count that would calculate blackjack frequencies would shine with pushed blackjacks paid. Tripling after doubling sounds interesting. So we double on 9 vs 6 and nail a 2. We can triple that bet that on 11?

JSTAT

JSTAT to the rescue? :laugh:

Edit: Barkingstork, I'm not sure how often you've been viewing the forums on here, but it's well known that JSTAT's counting system is full of crap. So if he ever gives you any advice on counting (or just on life in general) make sure you double check it with the other members here.

 

[1357111317]

Now Itakeyourmoney lets be nice. No need to bash JSTAT unneccesarily. Granted there are many skeptics to his count and it has been debunked multiple times but no need to start making comments about his character.

 

[Deleted member 3273]

Those who are in denial will create flakiness for ever around them. those who are open to new things can offer a friendship many walk away from, cause they ain't understand what love really is! :laugh:

what this has to do with this subject....? Everything if you think wider than this subject.

Relating to the doubles it is a decision you can make once. Triple or double at 9 10 or eleven.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Now Itakeyourmoney lets be nice. No need to bash JSTAT unneccesarily. Granted there are many skeptics to his count and it has been debunked multiple times but no need to start making comments about his character.

And what's worse is there is nothing to debunk, because a tens count isn't bunk. It's a very useful tool, used properly.

 

[1357111317]

Well I guess I was referring to the fact that is has been debunked that his count does not outperform HiLo. You will still have an edge with his count but not as much of an edge as HiLo.

 

[itakeyourmoney]

Those who are in denial will create flakiness for ever around them. those who are open to new things can offer a friendship many walk away from, cause they ain't understand what love really is! :laugh:

what this has to do with this subject....? Everything if you think wider than this subject.

Relating to the doubles it is a decision you can make once. Triple or double at 9 10 or eleven.

You can only triple/double 9,10, or 11? That makes the odds even worse lol. Just don't play this game.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Well I guess I was referring to the fact that is has been debunked that his count does not outperform HiLo. You will still have an edge with his count but not as much of an edge as HiLo.

Usually. There are a few exceptions. Take the kind of backcounting or call-in situation where you are always coming in at rather high counts, and always playing a table max. At that point, once you are in the game the biggest question is not "Do I have an advantage?" or "How much am I going to bet?" because you already know those answers but "Am I going to take insurance if the dealer has an ace?" That's a situation where some form of tens count (not necessarily JSTAT's) excels.

Overall though tens counts are most useful when you are playing at the table with a partner who is using a more thorough count like High-Low, and you have a couple of lucky ladies joining you.

 

[1357111317]

Now just off the top of my head I am pretty sure that if all other rules were equal you would rather have a game where you can triple 9,10 and 11 and not be able to double soft hands than a game where you can only double but you can double soft hands. The EV of tripling an 11v 6 is about 100%, an 33% increase from 66%. You only lose 12% EV from the best soft double there is, A,7 v 6. Now I didn't go through all the numbers but I am pretty sure that in the end you would rather take the tripling option with all other rules being equal.