Skill test ( a few shoes of BJ)
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RC +7 and 34 cards dealt so basically TC +1 you probably shouldn't be raising your bet here. IIRC was H17 LS game.
1:02
RC +8 still not high enough to raise your bet
1:19
RC +11 5 decks remaining so true 2 here you increase to $30 you haven't specified your bet spread so it is tough to say if you are betting accurately but this would probably be a better place to have your first level, ($15)
RC +7 and 34 cards dealt so basically TC +1 you probably shouldn't be raising your bet here. IIRC was H17 LS game.
1:02
RC +8 still not high enough to raise your bet
1:19
RC +11 5 decks remaining so true 2 here you increase to $30 you haven't specified your bet spread so it is tough to say if you are betting accurately but this would probably be a better place to have your first level, ($15)
JohnCrover
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TC 1: 15 TC 2: 30 TC 3: 45 TC 4: 60Meistro said:
Player has a slight edge at TC 1 and I like to go to 3 units at TC 1. I might play more conservatively and wait till tc 2. I have been getting destroyed against this strategy trainer. Down 1,300 after about 10 thousand hands
JohnCrover
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It's not supposed to. I don't think it does. I'm going to play another 10 thousand hands and I will probably be even or in the black by that point. Just a hell of a bad run of cards, I think. If I continue to lose, let's say after 100 thousand hands, then we know something's wrong with the trainer.Badbeat said:
ZenKinG
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Wrong. You have an edge at +1 with almost every rule-set even H17 DAS with no surrender, unless you're playing a ridiculous bad rule-set with restricted doubling on certain totals, limited splitting, no surrender, etc. I'm also talking about shoe games. For a shoe game with just H17 and DAS and no surrender, depending on count used, number of decks, and penetration, your edge will be around +0.15% to +0.20% at +1. With surrender it is going to vary from +0.30% to +0.35% depending again on count used, number of decks, and penetration of the game.Meistro said:
If you want to talk double deck; with surrender you're going to have an even bigger edge at +0.50% at +1, give or take a few percentage points for count system used and deck penetration and without surrender over a 0.40% edge at +1, once again give or take a few percentage points difference depending on count system used and penetration.
In the OP's game, it looks like the game I play in Vegas which is a shoe game consisting of H17 DAS LS, double on anything, as well as splitting to 4 hands, which is a very much beatable game with the edge starting at +1 and if you want to be technical maybe even at TC +0.5.
The problem most counters don't understand is that each count's edge doesn't increase by the standard estimate of +0.50%. The first true count actually increases your edge by around +0.75% give or take a few percentage points from whatever the house edge is.
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JohnCrover
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Things are starting to look up for the manual simulation, thankfully. I was getting worried for a while. 15350 played and + 241 profit.
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ZenKinG
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Funny thing is looking at your graph, my results are very similar. I'm about 14,000 hands in and also in the negative with a big downfall and down over 5k. My last 2 hours I won 1600, so let's hope I also now see that steep climb up like your graph shows.JohnCrover said:
"The problem most counters don't understand is that each count's edge doesn't increase by the standard estimate of +0.50%. The first true count actually increases your edge by around +0.75% give or take a few percentage points from whatever the house edge is."
Actually, what you don't understand is that the results for TC +1 are actually the full TC 1 to TC 1.99 bin. So if the average result here is an increase of +0.75% over the initial house edge, this is actually substantiating the argument that you gain +.5% per true count.
However, CVCX does show a 0.29% edge at TC 1 for six decks, H17, das, LS.
Actually, what you don't understand is that the results for TC +1 are actually the full TC 1 to TC 1.99 bin. So if the average result here is an increase of +0.75% over the initial house edge, this is actually substantiating the argument that you gain +.5% per true count.
However, CVCX does show a 0.29% edge at TC 1 for six decks, H17, das, LS.
ZenKinG
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Did you just try to argue with me and then prove my point at the end of it? WonderfulMeistro said:
But in case it didn't, let me clarify what I was saying. When I said 'the first true count' increases by around .75%, I was talking about going from 0 to 1 and not referencing all counts inside the TC +1 to TC +1.99 bin. If the house edge is -0.35% for example, you then add +0.75% to it for a net result edge to the player of 0.40%. That's what I was getting at.
Then from +1 to +2 it's around +0.55% which ends up being the closest to the +0.50% standard estimate because after that it's around +0.60% to +0.70% for each true count jump in added advantage. So in reality, the standard 0.5% is off on everything. The standard being spread around in books or whatever should be +0.65% not +0.50%
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"But in case it didn't, let me clarify what I was saying. When I said 'the first true count' increases by around .75%, I was talking about going from 0 to 1 and not referencing all counts inside the TC +1 to TC +1.99 bin. If the house edge is -0.35% for example, you then add +0.75% to it for a net result edge to the player of 0.40%. That's what I was getting at."
That is completely wrong, please refer to my previous post for an explanation.
That is completely wrong, please refer to my previous post for an explanation.
xengrifter
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The bigger the sim, the bigger the lie! LOLZenKinG said: