They got me?

[nicetrades200303]

Hello, everyone.

I’ve been playing at this casino. On this particular session, I went to the cage and cashed out a bit more than $3K, the cashier asked for my player’s card. The prior several times that I cashed out roughly $2800 each time, the cashier never asked for my player’s card. This time she called up surveillance to verify the amount and also got phone approval from her manager. After she pulled up my player’s card info, she typed some notes on the computer that I could not see. She paid me.

I left the casino and returned three hours later to play one last session before going home. For this session, I had planned on playing unrated. The floor supervisor asked for my card, and I said I didn’t have it. He recognized me from an earlier session and pulled up my card. He got on the phone and talked to someone. While I was playing, a pit manager came down to talk to him. Then the pit manager got on the phone. Another floor supervisor came over. I was confident they were talking about me.

So I colored up and went to the Pai Gow section, pretending to take interest in the game. The pit manager and one floor supervisor followed me to the Pai Gow section. The pit manager whispered to the Pai Gow floor supervisor, both of their eyes directed at me. I didn’t feel good then. Then I went to the Baccarat section, again pretending to take interest in the game. The blackjack supervisor who followed me to the Pai Gow section again followed me to the Baccarat section. She whispered to the Baccarat floor supervisor, with her back towards me and the Baccarat floor supervisor’s eyes directed at me. I knew I was done and left without going to the cage.

Am I finished at this casino for good? Any guesses as to what comments the cashier typed on my account to trigger this much scrutiny? At the time that I signed up for a player’s card, they swiped my driver’s license on one of their scanners. Will this store share my info with other Indian casinos throughout CA and throughout the U.S.? Will they share it with non-Indian casinos like Vegas? How likely is it that I will be put in some kind of database?

Thank you for your time.

 

[Sucker]

Every casino cage has a certain threshold of cashouts at which point the cashier is instructed to get your name. The purpose of this is to make sure someone doesn't do multiple cashouts in the same day, which could put them over the $10k threshold, at which point they must by law CTR you. In addition to your name, they'll usually call surveillance so they can get your picture (for the same CTR purposes). Evidently the threshold at YOUR casino is $3000. So far, what you've said concerning the cashier's actions is not particularly worrisome, and probably did not trigger anything.

But the OTHER stuff IS worrisome. It DOES sound like you probably ARE done for this place; at least for some time. As far as your question as to whether or not they'll share info on you - it depends upon the casino and/or how much of a threat that you've been judged to be. At this point; it would be better to be safe than sorry. I would proceed on the assumption that my name is toast; probably time for a different identity. :sad:

Smart move; recognizing the heat from the pit and getting out before EVERYONE gets a good look at you. Time heals all wounds; someday you'll be able to go back in there, at least in front of different bosses.

 

[stopgambling]

What were your stakes ???min and max? ,spread? what kind of games ,rules?i just wanted to know? hope the veterans and give you some thoughts on this.i just wanted to know what i need to be aware of.because i m in a similar situation and some interest. but at a lower stake.

 

[creeping panther]

Data

That is routine to check players card for large cash outs, and to phone surveillance and have a Super double check.

As to the rest of the incident, story, I think you were in "heat", but unless you are backed off I doubt they have put you in the Data Base, that can be shared with all casinos that care to contribute, back and forth. However they may have sent in your info, and that can be a very, very bad thing.

I would stay away from that casino for some time, but if you are in the data base and they see you are skilled and check, that is it, or if you use a card and they see a note on the screen about you, that is it, and more and more places demand a card to play their better games,,,so you see, BJ is getting very hard for a skillz player these days

CP

 

[zengrifter]

Am I finished at this casino for good?

No. But be smaRT next time around. zg

 

[BJgenius007]

Hello, everyone.

I’ve been playing at this casino. On this particular session, I went to the cage and cashed out a bit more than $3K, the cashier asked for my player’s card. The prior several times that I cashed out roughly $2800 each time, the cashier never asked for my player’s card. This time she called up surveillance to verify the amount and also got phone approval from her manager. After she pulled up my player’s card info, she typed some notes on the computer that I could not see. She paid me.

I left the casino and returned three hours later to play one last session before going home. For this session, I had planned on playing unrated. The floor supervisor asked for my card, and I said I didn’t have it. He recognized me from an earlier session and pulled up my card. He got on the phone and talked to someone. While I was playing, a pit manager came down to talk to him. Then the pit manager got on the phone. Another floor supervisor came over. I was confident they were talking about me.

So I colored up and went to the Pai Gow section, pretending to take interest in the game. The pit manager and one floor supervisor followed me to the Pai Gow section. The pit manager whispered to the Pai Gow floor supervisor, both of their eyes directed at me. I didn’t feel good then. Then I went to the Baccarat section, again pretending to take interest in the game. The blackjack supervisor who followed me to the Pai Gow section again followed me to the Baccarat section. She whispered to the Baccarat floor supervisor, with her back towards me and the Baccarat floor supervisor’s eyes directed at me. I knew I was done and left without going to the cage.

Am I finished at this casino for good? Any guesses as to what comments the cashier typed on my account to trigger this much scrutiny? At the time that I signed up for a player’s card, they swiped my driver’s license on one of their scanners. Will this store share my info with other Indian casinos throughout CA and throughout the U.S.? Will they share it with non-Indian casinos like Vegas? How likely is it that I will be put in some kind of database?

Thank you for your time.

You got got.

Never cash more than $3000. You should cash $2800 and use the other chips for the next session.

 

[BJgenius007]

That is routine to check players card for large cash outs, and to phone surveillance and have a Super double check.

As to the rest of the incident, story, I think you were in "heat", but unless you are backed off I doubt they have put you in the Data Base, that can be shared with all casinos that care to contribute, back and forth. However they may have sent in your info, and that can be a very, very bad thing.

I would stay away from that casino for some time, but if you are in the data base and they see you are skilled and check, that is it, or if you use a card and they see a note on the screen about you, that is it, and more and more places demand a card to play their better games,,,so you see, BJ is getting very hard for a skillz player these days

CP

The casino I frequent now demands to have a top tier card to enter their high limit area aka. $100 minimal Blackjack table. Thanks God I am a recreational player who plays at green chip table. But I can see it will cause pros problem.

No card, no play.

 

[AussiePlayer]

If the 'man' was following you from pit-to-pit, the cameras were too. I hope for your sake the camera guys from this shop don't read the post here. You should probably edit some of the specifics out of your post, especially from an area without a lot of stores.

 

[flyingwind]

I agree with the other sentiments that you were got.

Also agree that some time off from this store is the antidote. Wait three months or more, and try again. Play a different shift. Scout, make sure the same PC that got you isn't working that shift.

Look at this situation from a different point of view, why do you have to play at this store? Because it's close to where you live? Because it has the "best game?" Take this opportunity to go travel the country. There are at least equivalent, or better, games that's out there. And they haven't got you yet.

 

[nicetrades200303]

What were your stakes ???min and max? ,spread? what kind of games ,rules?i just wanted to know? hope the veterans and give you some thoughts on this.i just wanted to know what i need to be aware of.because i m in a similar situation and some interest. but at a lower stake.

stopgambling, it was 2D game, H17, D9, DAS, split up to four hands, no resplit aces, $50 min, 1-8 spread.

 

[nicetrades200303]

I agree with the other sentiments that you were got.

Also agree that some time off from this store is the antidote. Wait three months or more, and try again. Play a different shift. Scout, make sure the same PC that got you isn't working that shift.

Look at this situation from a different point of view, why do you have to play at this store? Because it's close to where you live? Because it has the "best game?" Take this opportunity to go travel the country. There are at least equivalent, or better, games that's out there. And they haven't got you yet.

I had a strong feeling I was going to have to stay away from this casino for some time after that incident. Just wanted some affirmation from veteran players for it to sink in.

It's no big deal staying away from this casino. I am really hoping they haven't shared my info or pictures with other casinos, as I want to be able to play at other places while waiting it out.

 

[FLASH1296]

The situation is that your videotaped play will be run through a "skills check" after you are gone.

If you return, even in the distant future, you will not be permitted to play. End of story.

I am trying to figure out what weirdness was going on in your head that had you hanging around other games and acting as if you were interested in those games. Even if you threw away money on those negative equity games that would have certainly not changed anything.

What say you ?

 

[Sucker]

I am trying to figure out what weirdness was going on in your head that had you hanging around other games and acting as if you were interested in those games.

Actually a smart move. This is pretty much a standard procedure when you suspect heat, but are not sure. If I ran every time a boss got on the phone, or talked to another boss while looking in my direction; I'd have no places left to play. Although I personally would have probably seen enough, & left after the Pai Gow table.

 

[tthree]

Actually a smart move. This is pretty much a standard procedure when you suspect heat, but are not sure. If I ran every time a boss got on the phone, or talked to another boss while looking in my direction; I'd have no places left to play. Although I personally would have probably seen enough, & left after the Pai Gow table.

If they decide you can beat them at blackjack the fact that you lose on other games isn't going to get you a seat at a blackjack table. They will be happy to let you play those games but not blackjack.

 

[FLASH1296]

I remain befuddled.

What do you expect to have happen that is of any value to you ?

S.O.P. is to wait until you attempt to again play BJ and "86" you then.

How can that be effected by your milling about at some other game.

If they so choose they can give you the "tap" without waiting,
but they can always wait for you to return in any case.

Long ago, I had a shift manager follow me out of a major strip casino
and inform me that I was 86'd, after my having left the property.

 

[FLASH1296]

tthree is right.

In general, a low stakes BJ player will only be "backed-off"

with words signifying that the miscreant can play games other than BJ.

Higher stakes players that are deemed to be A.P.'s will generally be barred from ALL games.

That is one step removed from being "trespassed"

That is a smart move as a genuine A.P. may find other games to exploit.

 

[tthree]

tthree is right.

In general, a low stakes BJ player will only be "backed-off"

with words signifying that the miscreant can play games other than BJ.

Higher stakes players that are deemed to be A.P.'s will generally be barred from ALL games.

That is one step removed from being "trespassed"

That is a smart move as a genuine A.P. may find other games to exploit.

So by scouting and not playing other games he put himself into the profile of an AP not just a card counter. I guess if all you care about is blackjack it matters little except for the information sharing situation between casinos.

 

[Sucker]

You guys seem to be missing the point. He had no intention of scouting or playing those other games. If bosses are looking your way & you're not sure that it's YOU that they're worried about, the tried and true tactic is oftentimes to triangulate yourself in different areas of the casino to see if heads keep turning your way. All experienced APs should know this move. This WAS smart thinking by the OP.

 

[blackjack avenger]

see what you are saying

You guys seem to be missing the point. He had no intention of scouting or playing those other games. If bosses are looking your way & you're not sure that it's YOU that they're worried about, the tried and true tactic is oftentimes to triangulate yourself in different areas of the casino to see if heads keep turning your way. All experienced APs should know this move. This WAS smart thinking by the OP.

But, the OP had his face pointed out to multiple bosses. If the bosses rotate; often the case, now its harder to rotate play.

The OP needs to stay away 3 to 12 months, change look & play unrated or new name.:joker:

 

[flyingwind]

But, the OP had his face pointed out to multiple bosses. If the bosses rotate; often the case, now its harder to rotate play.

The OP needs to stay away 3 to 12 months, change look & play unrated or new name.:joker:

And try to remember those bosses' faces. If you see them at the same store, dodge. If they change jobs, you may see them elsewhere.