was the best system for multi deck now (updates?)

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joe-

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was reading some old threads and post on the issue and i think it came down to zen vs Ho2. also looking at several charts but want some expericene feedback.

whats been best for you guys on a 6/8 deck shoes?
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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Hi-Opt II is the best, but ZEN is very very good for shoe games as side-counting Aces is not needed.
 
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joe-

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yes i noticed for hi opt 2 u need to have 3 sc of ace, 8, 9 is it just as effective if i only sc for aces?
 
fwb

fwb

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The best count is one you can still execute perfectly while tired and hungry at 4 am after a 12 hour long day, while staying engaged in conversation with casino personnel and the players around you.
 
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tthree

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joe- said:
yes i noticed for hi opt 2 u need to have 3 sc of ace, 8, 9 is it just as effective if i only sc for aces?
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It is great without counting 8 and 9. Do you have to count 7, 8 and 9 for HILO? I don't know why I keep hearing you have to have a side count besides aces.
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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"joe-",

I have no clue as to where you were contaminated with the idea of side counting 8's and 9's.

Admittedly, the original Hi-Opt monograph was way off in this regard.

ACES are crucial to side-count and SEVENS are the only other important side-count.

Hi-Opt II NEEDS the Ace-Side Count. ZEN does not.
 
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joe-

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lol well every other site ive been to about detail breakdowns of the hi opt 2 count states it needed the 8 9 sc's hahaha...

anyways thanks for clearing everything up guys.

so hi opt2 would be better then zen? and yes i understand the best system would be one i can do 100% all the time but thats why i rather practice a harder/accruate system to be able to do 100% all the time. "pratice makes perfect" thanks mates
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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"every other site ive been to about detail breakdowns of the hi opt 2 count states it needed the 8 9 sc's "

That is a bloody riot.

Pulleeze tell us what sites those are.

We need the comic relief.
 
kewljason

kewljason

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joe- said:
was reading some old threads and post on the issue and i think it came down to zen vs Ho2. also looking at several charts but want some expericene feedback.

whats been best for you guys on a 6/8 deck shoes?
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If you are going to be playing exclusively 6/8 deck shoe games, what count you play is not one of the top considerations to your success. How you play is much more important.

The top two important things are 1.) to get out of some of the negative counts. Whether you wong in on positive counts or wong out on negative counts, you don't want to play all the hands. Get out of at least some of the negative counts. And 2.) Make sure you have the funds to have an adequate bet spread and that you are ramping quickly enough to get those bigger bets out there early enough to make a difference.

The biggest mistake many newer and low limit players make when playing shoe games is that they play all hands and if they are underfunded they use too small of a spread which not only cuts down or eliminates winrate, but actually increases RoR. Also some that do use an adequate spread often don't get their big bets out in time. In shoe games, you need to get your top wager out by TC +3 to +4 at worse. If you wait any longer, the frequency of the counts is just too small to make much of a difference.
 
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johnnyb

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Read QFIT's SuperSCORE comparison of most systems. I'm using Halves which is a very strong count for multiple deck games. It has a BC of .99 which is a major factor to consider in playing 4/6/8 deck games and makes very little to no error in estimating advantage. Also, it's the best count without a sidecount. I think sidecounting Aces during shoe games makes very little improvement to your overall advantage, but I could be wrong.

The deeper the penetration the stronger Halves performs.

(The system seems complex at first but if you are dedicated enough the addition, subtraction, deck estimation, and true count conversions all become easier. Practice makes perfect.)
 
Coyote

Coyote

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kewljason said:
If you are going to be playing exclusively 6/8 deck shoe games, what count you play is not one of the top considerations to your success. How you play is much more important.

The top two important things are 1.) to get out of some of the negative counts. Whether you wong in on positive counts or wong out on negative counts, you don't want to play all the hands. Get out of at least some of the negative counts. And 2.) Make sure you have the funds to have an adequate bet spread and that you are ramping quickly enough to get those bigger bets out there early enough to make a difference.

The biggest mistake many newer and low limit players make when playing shoe games is that they play all hands and if they are underfunded they use too small of a spread which not only cuts down or eliminates winrate, but actually increases RoR. Also some that do use an adequate spread often don't get their big bets out in time. In shoe games, you need to get your top wager out by TC +3 to +4 at worse. If you wait any longer, the frequency of the counts is just too small to make much of a difference.
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This is tremendous advice for the 6/8 deck shoe games!
 
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joe-

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thnx for all the info mates. ive been counting only for 2 months and logged about 246 hours of blackjack at my home casinos.

kewljason that info was excellent bc that was my exact problem lol... thnx for info

jonnhy b never heard of halves but if u had success in shoe games i wouldnt mind checking it out.
 
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