I was playing double deck this weekend spreading only 1 to 4 and the table was hot early. I quickly got ahead about 25 units. About 45 minutes into play the pit critter in charge starts staring at me with a very unfriendly look. I look back at her and smile and continue to talk and laugh with the dealer and all the players at the table. She continues to stare at me and I continue to act as if I'm a regular ploppy that would have no reason to be nervous. A few minutes later the girl working at the computer is no longer typing and staring at the monitor. She is staring at me and will not stop. You'd swear it was a staring contest or something. Again I played it cool and acted as if I had no reason to be worried. I played for another 2 hours and it was up and down. Once the table cooled off and I started digging out more hundreds (I had a few hundred in chips in my pocket that they didn't know about) they seemed to pay less attention to me. After coloring up they would think I lost about 10 units but I actually won about that much. I'm really curious about what will happen next time I go back, probably in 2 to 3 weeks.
Was This heat? Or Just Paranoia?
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Low Heat
3 hours of play at one table is a little on the long side. I have played a 2 deck game and had a similar experience, but that was because I had to put in a certain # of hours for my freebie stay. When they turned the heat up on me I started betting 5-10-20 then flat bet greens using Oscar when I had to to recoup my $ and actually made more money doing that than counting. I was still counting, but my bigger bets lined up with my freakdaddy progression. I was chatting away like a J bird looking all over the place, joking with the dealer. The other pit crew knew I was counting and just kept an eye on me since I was only playing small stakes.
Stay under the radar, but fly around the barns if you can ;>
3 hours of play at one table is a little on the long side. I have played a 2 deck game and had a similar experience, but that was because I had to put in a certain # of hours for my freebie stay. When they turned the heat up on me I started betting 5-10-20 then flat bet greens using Oscar when I had to to recoup my $ and actually made more money doing that than counting. I was still counting, but my bigger bets lined up with my freakdaddy progression. I was chatting away like a J bird looking all over the place, joking with the dealer. The other pit crew knew I was counting and just kept an eye on me since I was only playing small stakes.
Stay under the radar, but fly around the barns if you can ;>
No Heat
The girl entering data was staring at you?
That person is a clerk that is paid $5 an hour (or whatever minimum wage is now) to enter play time and average bet amount into the comp system to keep it as real-time as possible. I would think that 99% have ZERO knowledge of blackjack.
So if that person was staring at you, you must have had something hanging out of your nose.
The girl entering data was staring at you?
That person is a clerk that is paid $5 an hour (or whatever minimum wage is now) to enter play time and average bet amount into the comp system to keep it as real-time as possible. I would think that 99% have ZERO knowledge of blackjack.
So if that person was staring at you, you must have had something hanging out of your nose.
I had the same response when I pocketed $600 plus in green. I did the old switch. I restacked reds with green. The Pit buzzard noticed and the staring and whispering started. I later found out that the Buzzard was upset because he a had a significant depletion in green chicps and that this could be seen as a losing table. They had to call for a refill. In the end I ended up tossing them back on the table and explained to the buzzard directly that I removed them so as to keep thievery and jealousy away from my money while I went to the men's room.
Justified Heat IMO
You verified for them what they expected when you "reproduced" the missing greeners they knew were gone. Paranoia is fear without a cause for it. I'd back myself off this place for a while and get a different game plan together before I went after them again. You're a good player and you want to stay in business. Try not to spend too much time at any one table in the future. Get up and leave when they shuffle, or better yet, pass on a few neg EV hands at the end of the deck before you color up. Then walk around looking for a good Bacc Craps or Roulette game to play, but don't play it. Take a nap thru the shift, wake up, have a boilin' hot cup a Joe to get your brain racin' and come back down and kikderazz! ;>
PS What count do you use, indices, BR (if that isn't too personal) and you spread 1-4 in red or green?
You verified for them what they expected when you "reproduced" the missing greeners they knew were gone. Paranoia is fear without a cause for it. I'd back myself off this place for a while and get a different game plan together before I went after them again. You're a good player and you want to stay in business. Try not to spend too much time at any one table in the future. Get up and leave when they shuffle, or better yet, pass on a few neg EV hands at the end of the deck before you color up. Then walk around looking for a good Bacc Craps or Roulette game to play, but don't play it. Take a nap thru the shift, wake up, have a boilin' hot cup a Joe to get your brain racin' and come back down and kikderazz! ;>
PS What count do you use, indices, BR (if that isn't too personal) and you spread 1-4 in red or green?
Re: No Heat
Those were my thoughts exactly so at the next negative count I went to the restroom and checked. Everything was cool there. I'm not sure why she was staring so hard, I mean I'm a good looking guy and all, but I'm no Brad Pitt or Ben Affleck. I thought that maybe the Pitt Wench asked her to check me out to see if I looked suspicious.
Those were my thoughts exactly so at the next negative count I went to the restroom and checked. Everything was cool there. I'm not sure why she was staring so hard, I mean I'm a good looking guy and all, but I'm no Brad Pitt or Ben Affleck. I thought that maybe the Pitt Wench asked her to check me out to see if I looked suspicious.
Re: No Heat
That was funny but true. They are only interested when you when bet big consistantly; black or purple or multiple high stacks of green. Make sure the person staring is a Pit buzzard and not a clerk.
I Use HI-LO and the IL 18 and Fab four and surrendar 16 vs 9,10, or A. Spread now is 1-30; if I can get away with it I will bet up to two hands of 100,(four greens per stack). I dont like to bet solid black on a nickle table. I feel it is arrogant and gets noticed. I used to spread 1-20 in red but have since been shown the light by my mentors. I ramp up if possible.
You really have to have the cajones to bet wide; mine are small but growing haha. I found this out after playing for 12 hours and dropping over 1200. The feeling is stomach grinding and emotionally earth shattering the first time you hit a big negative deviation steak on a high TC.
I am also serious about maintaining emotional control. After a big win one afternoon it took me two hours to calm down. The addrenalin rush and the psychological effect can cause you to overbet the ole bankroll much less make it hard to concentrate. I meditate in my room before and after playing. I even close my eyes and clear my mind during play. The noise and commotion at a casino is excellent to focus clearing your mind.
After a good session I fell it is an excellent time to fish for comps and to see if your rep is suspect. I take a break and come back later. Bank roll is average for red.
That was funny but true. They are only interested when you when bet big consistantly; black or purple or multiple high stacks of green. Make sure the person staring is a Pit buzzard and not a clerk.
I Use HI-LO and the IL 18 and Fab four and surrendar 16 vs 9,10, or A. Spread now is 1-30; if I can get away with it I will bet up to two hands of 100,(four greens per stack). I dont like to bet solid black on a nickle table. I feel it is arrogant and gets noticed. I used to spread 1-20 in red but have since been shown the light by my mentors. I ramp up if possible.
You really have to have the cajones to bet wide; mine are small but growing haha. I found this out after playing for 12 hours and dropping over 1200. The feeling is stomach grinding and emotionally earth shattering the first time you hit a big negative deviation steak on a high TC.
I am also serious about maintaining emotional control. After a big win one afternoon it took me two hours to calm down. The addrenalin rush and the psychological effect can cause you to overbet the ole bankroll much less make it hard to concentrate. I meditate in my room before and after playing. I even close my eyes and clear my mind during play. The noise and commotion at a casino is excellent to focus clearing your mind.
After a good session I fell it is an excellent time to fish for comps and to see if your rep is suspect. I take a break and come back later. Bank roll is average for red.