Why are Aces counted as high?

#1
Before I ask, I need to offer some criticism to the members, and specifically, the owner of this site. Seems like all I see is negative replies to beginners asking questions. But maybe I’m new and naive and don’t understand how forums work.
So my question is, why is the Ace considered a plus in the count?
- It can be counted as a high and low number.
- If the casinos agree to hit on a soft 17, then they have an agenda.
 

DSchles

Well-Known Member
#2
"Before I ask, I need to offer some criticism to the members, and specifically, the owner of this site. Seems like all I see is negative replies to beginners asking questions. But maybe I’m new and naive and don’t understand how forums work."

Of all people, the owner of this site certainly doesn't deserve criticism. Not all replies to beginners are negative, so it's a bit unfair to characterize this site as having that feature. Sadly, what often happens is that some "beginners" are actually trolls who pose as beginners but who simply want to foment trouble and cause difficulty. So, when veteran members "take the bait" and respond, it can look like they're being unkind when, in fact, they're responding appropriately.

Still other beginners have the rather strange trait of asking a question and then, when they get a perfectly correct response, become argumentative and want to tell the responder why he or she is wrong! This, in particular, gets my goat.

"So my question is, why is the Ace considered a plus in the count?"

Short answer: it isn't; it's counted as a minus (negative) value.

"It can be counted as a high and low number."

Yes, it can. So, it has a dual nature, which is why, in many counts, the ace is counted as neutral, or zero. But, in all the other counts, it is counted as a high card (negative) because of its contribution to a natural (blackjack), where it counts as 11. The 3:2 bonus for a player blackjack is the most important player advantage in the game, and so it is more important to count the ace as a high card than a low one.

"If the casinos agree to hit on a soft 17, then they have an agenda."

Not sure what you mean by this. Can you clarify? If you mean that it is to their advantage to do so, then that's correct.

Hope this helps.

Don
 
#3
Thank you for you reply.
My initial comment wasn’t aimed at you, but others. But please don’t pretend that me and others don’t face criticism for asking questions, because your protection of them only validates my point.
As the owner of this site, he/she deserves all responsibility, and based on the amount of time he/she wishes to devote and control it is to there discretion.
As I’m a beginner, I’ve only read that it’s considered a + count. And I’ve bought your book, so if I didn’t catch that part, then thats on me.
To my second question, the casinos are normally ahead In the game, so theres a reason there conceding the Ace on the initial A7.
 

LC Larry

Well-Known Member
#4
The reason many casinos hit on A,6(soft 17), is because it gives them a larger edge than standing on it does. Both sides, casinos and (most)players are looking for larger edges when they can.
 
#5
LC Larry said:
The reason many casinos hit on A,6(soft 17), is because it gives them a larger edge than standing on it does. Both sides, casinos and (most)players are looking for larger edges when they can.
Thanks, I didn’t realize that. Guess I was looking at it completely wrong.
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#6
LuckyStars said:
Thanks, I didn’t realize that. Guess I was looking at it completely wrong.
As an absolute beginner, before asking very basic and/or foolish questions or making foolish statements, such as, "If the casinos agree to hit on a soft 17, then they have an agenda," you should read some basic/beginner books about blackjack. A forum is not an efficient way to learn fundamentals, when you know nothing about the game. You will wear out your welcome quickly.
 
#7
21forme said:
As an absolute beginner, before asking very basic and/or foolish questions or making foolish statements, such as, "If the casinos agree to hit on a soft 17, then they have an agenda," you should read some basic/beginner books about blackjack. A forum is not an efficient way to learn fundamentals, when you know nothing about the game. You will wear out your welcome quickly.
And it’s because of rude people like you that I really don’t care. So keep your foolish comments to yourself. A-hole
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#8
LuckyStars said:
And it’s because of rude people like you that I really don’t care. So keep your foolish comments to yourself. A-hole
Nothing rude about my comment. It was constructive criticism, which you clearly can't accept (as Don mentioned). It's clear you've worn out your welcome here. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, A-hole.
 

BoSox

Well-Known Member
#9
LC Larry said:
The reason many casinos hit on A,6(soft 17), is because it gives them a larger edge than standing on it does. Both sides, casinos and (most)players are looking for larger edges when they can.
LuckyStars said:
Thanks, I didn’t realize that. Guess I was looking at it completely wrong.
LuckyStars, how were you looking at it?
 

BoSox

Well-Known Member
#10
LuckyStars said:
As I’m a beginner, I’ve only read that it’s considered a + count. And I’ve bought your book, so if I didn’t catch that part, then thats on me.
Don S has written three books and it would help to know what Edition that you own. Either way, if you go to the Preface in the book that you have, Don explains what is covered within.
 
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