# 10 to 1 payout on push

• ninous26

10 to 1 payout on push

Seen this at a local store.. Where if you and the dealer end up with the same card total you get paid a flat 10-1.. Would you use this the same way as LL at only a TC of +7?

I’m no mathematical guru like some other geniuses on this forum.

• tthree

Looking at Qfit’s win, lose, tie chart at various TCs. I eyeball TC < -18 and TC > +4. I am guessing that is HILO. The chart didnt specify.

• ninous26

Where did you find that chart?

Again like I said I’m far from a math guru so I used the +7 assuming the shoe is rich in 10 cards so you’lll push on a lot of 20’s and some BJ’s

• tthree

“Percentage of hands won counting” in the counting section is the thread the link is found. It was submitted by A007. The second post contains the link.

10% pushes is when the bet becomes a non loser.

I just noticed the sim conditions: HILO 6 decks 1.19 cut out S17 DAS LS

• Automatic Monkey

That is a very complicated sidebet.

Would you hit A6 vs. 7 if you were betting that?

• tthree
Quote: Automatic Monkey said:
That is a very complicated sidebet.

Would you hit A6 vs. 7 if you were betting that?

That is an excellent point. Your strategy indices for your TC > +4 would need to be reevaluated. The combination of base bet and side bet might prove profitable before TC +4 or unprofitable until a higher TC.

AM is good at seeing the big picture.

• LovinItAll
Quote: tthree said:
That is an excellent point. Your strategy indices for your TC > +4 would need to be reevaluated. The combination of base bet and side bet might prove profitable before TC +4 or unprofitable until a higher TC.

AM is good at seeing the big picture.

This is anecdotal, but I was playing at a store that offered this bet as a promotion. The players loved it – it isn’t offered anymore. The players SWEAR they made “a ton of money”, but these may include players that make “a ton of money” playing Lucky 7’s, pairs, 5-card promotions, et al.

• NightStalker

this is very old bet

and easily available..
playing strategy edge and counting strategy have been evaluated and available on internet several times..

• The Chaperone

The break even point is not 10%, it’s actually 9.0909%. Is the game H17 or S17? Are you allowed to bet the same amount on the side bet as on the BJ bet (or perhaps even more)?

• jnrwilliam
Quote: ninous26 said:
Seen this at a local store.. Where if you and the dealer end up with the same card total you get paid a flat 10-1.. Would you use this the same way as LL at only a TC of +7?

I’m no mathematical guru like some other geniuses on this forum.

1. what is the max. of side bet.
2. both get a Bj = Tie ?
3. the bet size of side bet : can bet freely, regardless the main bet ???
4. spiltted hand : 1 of them is PUSH, so ….?

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