You snooze; you lose! Re: "Delta" in shuffling and dealing procedures

  • Tico

    You snooze; you lose! Re: "Delta" in shuffling and dealing procedures

    Trackers Alerts: At least a few casinos have changed their procedures in shuffling and dealing, i.e, Casino123 has spent 10 minutes on retraining each of its bj dealers on how to defeat trackers. Casino456 also has re-invented the toughest procedures to beat trackers, & its bottom line speaks for itself, i.e., 456’s bj winnings have gone through the roof recently. If you snooze, you will lose! If you have been beaten badly in the last 40 days (especially in Casino456), now you know why.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    If you have been beaten badly in the last 40 days (especially in Casino456), now you know why.

    You mean “trackers who have been beaten” or ANY counters? zg

  • Pelerus

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    Trackers Alerts: At least a few casinos have changed their procedures in shuffling and dealing, i.e, Casino123 has spent 10 minutes on retraining each of its bj dealers on how to defeat trackers. Casino456 also has re-invented the toughest procedures to beat trackers, & its bottom line speaks for itself, i.e., 456’s bj winnings have gone through the roof recently. If you snooze, you will lose! If you have been beaten badly in the last 40 days (especially in Casino456), now you know why.

    Wait… implementing a more complex and time consuming shuffle has increased their bottom line? Since that implies less hands per hour, and since profitable shuffle trackers make up less than 1 in 10,000 casino patrons, wouldn’t the opposite be the case?

    Or maybe that was your point all along. :

  • 1357111317

     

    [QUOTE=Pelerus;211041], and since profitable shuffle trackers make up less than 1 in 10,000 casino patrons, wouldn’t the opposite be the case?

    QUOTE]

    I think more accurate numbers would be 1 in 10k are profitable COUNTERS. My guess is that profitible trackers are closer to 1 in 100k.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Pelerus said:
    , and since profitable shuffle trackers make up less than 1 in 10,000 casino patrons, wouldn’t the opposite be the case?
    Quote: 1357111317 said:
    I think more accurate numbers would be 1 in 10k are profitable COUNTERS. My guess is that profitible trackers are closer to 1 in 100k.

    That’s why I’m asking him who-what he’s talking about??
    Trained trackers who couldn’t tell the difference?? Or counters in general?? zg

  • Blue Efficacy

     

    Quote: 1357111317 said:
    [QUOTE=Pelerus;211041], and since profitable shuffle trackers make up less than 1 in 10,000 casino patrons, wouldn’t the opposite be the case?

    QUOTE]

    I think more accurate numbers would be 1 in 10k are profitable COUNTERS. My guess is that profitible trackers are closer to 1 in 100k.

    Surely you exaggerate!

  • Jack_Black

     

    How can I send you a PM, Tico? it seems as if you have them turned off. I am curious to know which casinos you are talking about.

    also, a tracker would notice the change right away, since they have to eyeball and follow the slugs throughout the shuffle process.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Jack_Black said:
    How can I send you a PM, Tico? it seems as if you have them turned off. I am curious to know which casinos you are talking about.

    Don’t go PM on us, Tico. We asked good questions that I am confident you can enlighten us. zg

  • Pelerus

     

    Quote: Blue Efficacy said:
    [QUOTE=1357111317;211043]
    Surely you exaggerate!

    His estimate may not be far off, since I understated to avoid belaboring the point. There is a big difference between people who may have dabbled in tracking or who style themselves “shuffle trackers” and those who are truly able to show a consistent profit through tracking. It is notoriously easy to deceive oneself into thinking that one has an advantage tracking, when in truth the high cards just aren’t showing up. This has been the case even with relatively high profile teams who tried it.

  • Ferretnparrot

     

    Quote: 1357111317 said:
    [QUOTE=Pelerus;211041], My guess is that profitible trackers are closer to 1 in 100k.

    I recently used the same figure making the same argument abou the same topic commenting on youtube this week

  • Automatic Monkey

     

    Quote: Jack_Black said:
    How can I send you a PM, Tico? it seems as if you have them turned off. I am curious to know which casinos you are talking about.

    also, a tracker would notice the change right away, since they have to eyeball and follow the slugs throughout the shuffle process.

    Some do, some don’t. You might as well just find a dealer with a very consistent shuffle and handle his shuffle mathematically instead of visually. You can do better math at home with your computer than you can on the fly at a casino. But a good ST will notice a change in his dealer. AC doesn’t have anything really great anyway.

  • Tico

     

    Quote: Automatic Monkey said:
    Some do, some don’t. You might as well just find a dealer with a very consistent shuffle and handle his shuffle mathematically instead of visually. You can do better math at home with your computer than you can on the fly at a casino. But a good ST will notice a change in his dealer. AC doesn’t have anything really great anyway.

    Quiz: Which AC casino had the easiest shuffles? Hint1: a dealer once was able to finish his shuffle in 21 seconds flat. Hint2: almost all the AC APs had shown up in that bj pit for a few months .

  • bjcardcounter

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    Quiz: Which AC casino had the easiest shuffles? Hint1: a dealer once was able to finish his shuffle in 21 seconds flat. Hint2: almost all the AC APs had shown up in that bj pit for a few months .

    this must be the juiciest opportunity

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    Quiz: Which AC casino had the easiest shuffles? Hint1: a dealer once was able to finish his shuffle in 21 seconds flat. Hint2: almost all the AC APs had shown up in that bj pit for a few months .
    Quote: Tico said:
    If you have been beaten badly in the last 40 days (especially in Casino456), now you know why.

    Still, if you mean trackers who were beat, you are saying that they somehow missed the change??

    Or did you mean regular counters too? zg

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    Casino456 also has re-invented the toughest procedures to beat trackers, & its bottom line speaks for itself, i.e., 456’s bj winnings have gone through the roof recently.

    I still don’t understnd – fast simple shuffles make the house more money.
    Slower more complex shuffles cost the house money. zg

  • 21forme

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    Quiz: Which AC casino had the easiest shuffles? Hint1: a dealer once was able to finish his shuffle in 21 seconds flat. Hint2: almost all the AC APs had shown up in that bj pit for a few months .

    Haven’t played AC for a while, but it used to be the place that also has its name on Orange Juice.

  • Ferretnparrot

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    Quiz: Which AC casino had the easiest shuffles? Hint1: a dealer once was able to finish his shuffle in 21 seconds flat. Hint2: almost all the AC APs had shown up in that bj pit for a few months .

    Tropicana!!!! winter 2009!!!!!!!

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    If you snooze, you will lose! If you have been beaten badly in the last 40 days (especially in Casino456), now you know why.

    So again, I want to understand what you meant by the above, please. zg

  • Tico

     

    Quote: 21forme said:
    Haven’t played AC for a while, but it used to be the place that also has its name on Orange Juice.
    Quote: Ferretnparrot said:
    Tropicana!!!! winter 2009!!!!!!!


    The game is over! We get 2 big winners! Here’s the prize: 1 coupon for a free noodle soup at its bar. You can ask and pick up the prize at its baccarat pit after you buy in for $1,000 .

  • bjcardcounter

     

    Quote: Tico said:


    The game is over! We get 2 big winners! Here’s the prize: 1 coupon for a free noodle soup at its bar. You can ask and pick up the prize at its baccarat pit after you buy in for $1,000 .

    I should be too , My response had the same hint.

  • Tico

     

    Quote: bjcardcounter said:
    I should be too , My response had the same hint.

    Update…& correction…

    OK. We get 3 big winners. Now go get your prize and enjoy your free soup

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    If you snooze, you will lose! If you have been beaten badly in the last 40 days (especially in Casino456), now you know why.
    Quote: zengrifter said:
    So again, I want to understand what you meant by the above, please. zg

    Tico, please – I’m not stupid – help me to understand who you referred to above.
    Trained trackers, any counters, or everyone?
    Also, you indicate that the shuffle of Casino456 changed in the last 40-days? zg

  • MAZ

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    Update…& correction…

    OK. We get 3 big winners. Now go get your prize and enjoy your free soup

    Hey Tico, what casino do you work for, same one as our old pal Abenzio?

  • Tico

     

    Quote: MAZ said:
    Hey Tico, what casino do you work for, same one as our old pal Abenzio?

    Poor poor poor MAZ, I know who you’re, and how can you be an AP if you still don’t know WHO I’M ? KNOW THOU ENEMIES!!! Lots of posters here can be Friends, Folks and Foes…How many of you guys still think that I’m a casino employee? Hint1: most casino guys are lukers… Hint2: casino guys will not share info with you guys… So who M’I friend of foe?

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Tico said:
    If you snooze, you will lose! If you have been beaten badly in the last 40 days (especially in Casino456), now you know why.
    Quote: zengrifter said:
    So again, I want to understand what you meant by the above, please. zg

    Still waiting. zg

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