Carrying cash through Airport

  • NightStalker

    Carrying cash through Airport

    Does anyone of you have any trouble passing through new full body scanners at Vegas airport? How are they different from old scanners? What’s the acceptable cash limit one should be carrying in order not to get in trouble? Any suggestions/ideas about carrying cash are welcome?

  • daddybo

     

    Last I checked, it wasn’t illegal to carry any amount of cash inside the country.

  • moo321

     

    Quote: NightStalker said:
    Does anyone of you have any trouble passing through new full body scanners at Vegas airport? How are they different from old scanners? What’s the acceptable cash limit one should be carrying in order not to get in trouble? Any suggestions/ideas about carrying cash are welcome?

    If you’re under $10k, you should be ok. Above that, you may want to consider wiring the money, traveler’s checks, or an account with a national bank that has a local branch in Vegas.

    That said, Vegas airport probably has a lot of people carrying a lot of cash.

  • Pro21

     

    Quote: daddybo said:
    Last I checked, it wasn’t illegal to carry any amount of cash inside the country.

    You must be joking!

    Vegas is the one place where you won’t have a problem. You have to take the money out of your pockets and hold it over your head. It’s other airports where it can be a major problem especially if you are young and/or ethnic.

    The money will not show up in the scanner in your carryon so you may want to put it in your bag.

  • daddybo

     

    Quote: Pro21 said:
    You must be joking!

    Vegas is the one place where you won’t have a problem. You have to take the money out of your pockets and hold it over your head. It’s other airports where it can be a major problem especially if you are young and/or ethnic.

    The money will not show up in the scanner in your carryon so you may want to put it in your bag.

    Its not illegal. But I’m not young or ethnic. Honestly, I’ve never had problems carrying large amounts of cash through an airport. (Okay, I’m not being totally honest… I don’t usually go throught he scanners either.) But, its still not illegal.

  • Pro21

     

    No, it is not illegal, but many players have had cash confiscated in airports. The DEA confiscates the money and then says, “Prove it isn’t drug money.” The players then have to hire a lawyer and fight to get the cash back. Eventually you get the money back but it is usually 5k in legal fees.

    By the way, there is a very good thread at beyondcounting.com about how they confiscate money from your car with illegal search and seizures.

  • NightStalker

    thread at BCC?

    Quote: Pro21 said:
    By the way, there is a very good thread at beyondcounting.com about how they confiscate money from your car with illegal search and seizures.

    Couldn’t find the thread, can you please point out?

  • NightStalker

    Thanks for all the responses..

    Quote: Pro21 said:
    The money will not show up in the scanner in your carryon so you may want to put it in your bag.

    Are you sure about it?

    The thing which I am uncertain is that what do you need to prove:
    1) it is your own legal money, how about carrying bank receipts?
    Or 2) Is it not drug money? How you can prove it?

  • FLASH1296

     

    I was stopped this week for carrying 20K in cash — but what gave it away was the 20K in large chips that showed on the T S A monitor.

    Be careful.

    I had to talk my way out of it by offering a ton of proof that i was traveling to a Casino. It took awhile but I was early for my plane.

  • WRX

    A repeat of material I posted at Stanford’s site

    I had the pleasure of encountering the full body scanner at McCarran Airport last month. Coming soon to an airport near you. Some lines of passengers are now directed to the scanner, and get a full patdown as well. You will be directed to take ALL contents out of your pockets, and put them through the conveyor belt. On protest, you will be allowed to pocket cash and other valuables, and put just your empty wallet or empty pouch on the conveyor belt. However, staff will not volunteer this information. I suggest putting all cash and chips in baggies, and carrying the baggies inside your bankroll pouch. Then before approaching the screening area, take out baggies, and put only them into your pockets, while putting your empty pouch and wallet in your carry-on bag or coat to go on the conveyor belt.

    Or you may be able to avoid all of this by looking for a line that has no full body scanner. However, TSA staff routinely merge two adjacent lines, and then direct passengers from the combined line alternating between the regular metal detector and the full body scanner. They don’t want to make it too easy to evade.

    Check your dignity and any hope of receiving basic human respect at the door before you leave home.

    By the way, with those machines they can see the size of your schwanzstücke.

    I have no intention of letting my cash out of my grubby fingers, especially after reading reports of theft by TSA agents such as this (which came to my attention courtesy of another contributor):

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/05/tsa_agent_suspended_for_steali.html?wprss=federal-eye

    I have printed this article, and will carry it with me whenever traveling. It may be useful if I ever encounter TSA agents who try to insist that I put cash on the conveyor belt.

    The following notice on the TSA Web site explains the requirement of completing a customs declaration when transporting $10,000 or more out of or into the United States. This impliedly acknowledges that it is lawful to carry any amount of currency WITHIN the United States, as well:

    http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1848.shtm (Link is dead)

    This one, “Traveling with Special Items,” might also be helpful, as it impliedly says that you can keep your cash on your person, saying, “We recommend that you carry these items with you at all times:”

    http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1847.shtm (Link is dead)

    Here’s a link to the ACLU’s press release concerning the settlement of Bierfeldt vs. Napolitano, which stemmed from the March 29, 2009 incident in which Ron Paul’s assistant was confined for a half hour, rudely interrogated, arrested, and then quickly un-arrested, for carrying cash through an airport:

    https://www.aclu.org/national-security/tsa-fixes-search-policy-after-aclu-sues?tab=legaldoc

    This give information on two new TSA directives to its agents, issued in connection with the settlement. The first states that “screening may not be conducted to detect evidence of crimes unrelated to transportation security.” The second states that “traveling with large amounts of currency is not illegal,” and that to the extent bulk quantities of cash warrant searching, it is only to further security objectives. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to locate the full texts of these directives. Top secret, I suppose.

    These directives appear to supersede the position taken by the TSA in the following press release, which asserted that the TSA had authority to investigate “movements of large amounts of cash through the checkpoint … if suspicious activity is suspected”:

    http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/st_louis_aclu.shtm (Link is dead)

  • WRX

     

    Quote: NightStalker said:
    The thing which I am uncertain is that what do you need to prove:
    1) it is your own legal money, how about carrying bank receipts?
    Or 2) Is it not drug money? How you can prove it?

    To be entitled to seize cash, the federal government needs only “probable cause” to believe that it is proceeds of a crime. What amounts to probable cause pretty much lies in the imagination of the judge. The burden of proof then shifts to the owner to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the cash is NOT proceeds of a crime. There is no right to a jury trial. Be afraid.

  • chichow

     

    Quote: FLASH1296 said:
    I was stopped this week for carrying 20K in cash — but what gave it away was the 20K in large chips that showed on the T S A monitor.

    Be careful.

    I had to talk my way out of it by offering a ton of proof that i was traveling to a Casino. It took awhile but I was early for my plane.

    What was the breakdown in chips? TSA isn’t going to know the chip denomination from the scanner. So you could be talking four 5k chips or are you taking purples, etc.

    I’m just trying to figure out how many actual chips you were hauling for TSA to complain. And whether it was TSA at Vegas or some other airport.

  • FLASH1296

     

    They did NOT even examine the chips.

    That is not the issue.

    The chips were stored with the cash.

    Not that I’ll make that error again.

    It was the chips that appeared as metal on their scanners,
    thus prompting the physical examination, with the comment:
    “Watcha’ got in there – coins?”

    They let me go, but not until they took digital photos of
    my boarding pass and driver’s license, for T.S.A. records.

  • Sonny

     

    Quote: NightStalker said:
    Couldn’t find the thread, can you please point out?

    Here you go:

    http://www.beyondcounting.com/bb/viewtopic.php?p=577 (Link is dead)

    -Sonny-

  • shadroch

     

    Jet Blue advises that if you are carrying a large amount of cash on a domestic light, that you advise the TSA ahead of time. It does not say what it considersa large amount, nor if you should do it before you go to the airport or simply before you get screened. Such advice is worthless.

  • chichow

     

    I would speculate (again speculate) that it wasn’t the chips. I would guess it was the cash.

    If you brick up your cash (5k wads of say 20 dollar bills) those wads are thick enough, that the TSA can/may/will investigate.

    On the other hand, if it is 5k wads of say 100 dollar bills, those are thin enough that they don’t look as large / brick-like

    You can also spread-out (its not as neat) your cash into sheets and secure in manila envelopes.

  • chichow

     

    So how many chips? 5? 50? 500?

    Just wondering in terms of a rough estimate in trying to picture how they would show in a scanner.

  • FLASH1296

     

    chichow,

    Why would I carry “bricks” composed of small bills ?

    The T S A peeps made it abundantly clear that it was the chips that they initially viewed.

    Paper is NOT dense enough to look like more than a gray shadow.

  • FLASH1296

     

    chichow,

    RE: the chips.

    $500 and [over-sized] $1,000 denominations.

    “½ and ½” for an aggregate 30 chips.

  • chichow

     

    Quote: FLASH1296 said:
    chichow,

    Why would I carry “bricks” composed of small bills ?

    The T S A peeps made it abundantly clear that it was the chips that they initially viewed.

    Paper is NOT dense enough to look like more than a gray shadow.

    I am going to make an assumption. Of course this assumption could be false.

    If getting the cash from a bank…

    … and taking out $20,000, sometimes the branch may not have all of that available in 100s. Perhaps the bank is at the tail end of their next fill or the level 2 employee with access to the vault isn’t there that day. So rather than ending up with 2 bricks of $10,000 in 100’s denominations, you end up with larger/more bricks of 50’s and 20’s.

    Also if you are withdrawing say $3000 a day from an ATM, you could also end up with all 20’s.

    I am not presuming there are not other ways of getting cash.

  • chichow

     

    Regarding the chips. It also depended on your chips. Your original post did not reference the denomination of your chips and whether they were RFID. Using Vegas as an example (I’m decently familiar with the Strip), some casinos are going to have RFID (and therefore metal) in their black chips and above. If you had tons of green chips, I doubt TSA would have been seeing metal in the chips and getting confused. Then again, I probably don’t travel as much as some other site posters and I don’t see as many casinos with RFID green chips.

    Was it the TSA @ the Las Vegas airport or some other airport?

    Overall, I have not been that impressed with many of the TSA. I did have one experience where I apparently held up a line without knowing it for 5 minutes, because the TSA couldn’t tell that I was bringing cupcakes/muffins in a box.

  • FLASH1296

     

    Bills were Benjamins and chips were not RFID

    Not McCarren or any place with local casinos.

  • SleightOfHand

     

    Quote: chichow said:
    Regarding the chips. It also depended on your chips. Your original post did not reference the denomination of your chips and whether they were RFID. Using Vegas as an example (I’m decently familiar with the Strip), some casinos are going to have RFID (and therefore metal) in their black chips and above. If you had tons of green chips, I doubt TSA would have been seeing metal in the chips and getting confused. Then again, I probably don’t travel as much as some other site posters and I don’t see as many casinos with RFID green chips.

    I believe that I read in CAA that chips appear as just a blob in the metal detectors

    Quote:
    Overall, I have not been that impressed with many of the TSA. I did have one experience where I apparently held up a line without knowing it for 5 minutes, because the TSA couldn’t tell that I was bringing cupcakes/muffins in a box.

    omg You must be the muffin man! (Arrested Development anyone?)

  • Josh

     

    Though it lacks the inability to closely monitor (physically) cash/chips, has anyone thought of packing up their goodies and shipping them with UPS/FEX? You can’t insure cash (not sure about the chips, but I don’t think you can insure those either), and of course UPS/FEX can always lose your **** en route (happens rarely – and this is after managing a UPS Store for 2 years), but it’s an option. Not sure what they’d think (they meaning security at UPS), if they saw (or if they’d even see) lots of cash go through.

    Just an idea!

  • kewljason

     

    You guys seem to want to make this far more difficult and riskier than need be. Moo has the right idea. Just open account any any national or even regional bank that has a branch in Vegas as well as near your home town. Bank of America is the perfect choice for Vegas. There is probably a branch near anywhere you call home. When you arrive in Vegas just go withdrawl your funds. I can guarantee you that Bank of America in Las Vegas will have enough cash on hand to accomidate your 10-20 grand withdrawl without paying you in 10’s. No need to worry about airport security or getting robbed. Now if you are worried about explaining these transactions. You withdrew funds in Las Vegas to gamble with. OMG, bet they have never heard that one before.

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