Software used to track play – Page 2

  • Liquid Chips

     

    Quote: BJgenius007 said:
    You are confused. iTables don’t use CSM. They use ASM to shuffle the entire 8 decks, then put the entire 8 decks to a container of tight room. So there is no way or room to swap cards inside that container….

    The first time I played at the Harrington Delaware casino’s I-table, they used the ASM. But the last three times I went, they used a CSM. After each hand, the dealer puts the dealt cards back into the machine. There is no build up of cards in the discard tray. This is a CSM.

  • joeblackjack

     

    Quote: flyingwind said:
    Can some please pm me the list of places in LV that uses RFID?
    At these places, do the dealers push a button during each round?

    I’ve only seen one place (an Indian casino) use a button. Never seen it in Vegas. If it happens, it doesn’t happen on the strip.

    Easiest way to tell if RFID is in active use is to go to the cage and look for a mouse-pad type thing on the counter in front of each cashier. You’ll see this at Aria, Wynn, etc. They place any larger denomination chips you have on there and if you watch their computer screen it shows the value and a big green check mark.

  • BJgenius007

     

    Quote: joeblackjack said:
    I’ve only seen one place (an Indian casino) use a button. Never seen it in Vegas. If it happens, it doesn’t happen on the strip.

    Easiest way to tell if RFID is in active use is to go to the cage and look for a mouse-pad type thing on the counter in front of each cashier. You’ll see this at Aria, Wynn, etc. They place any larger denomination chips you have on there and if you watch their computer screen it shows the value and a big green check mark.

    One casino I played often is the Meadows. The dealer pushes the button before he or she deals every hand. Going to the cage, the cashier puts all chips on the mouse pad you described, including the $5 red chips, and it displays the total amount of money. Every chip has a RFID chip inside it, not just the $100 black chips or higher. The casinos are tracking everybody’s spread. The eye in the sky will check all persons who are not flat betting. More than that, if the person is a winner to the cage, they will review the tapes to make sure if he or she is AP or not based on the spread pattern recorded. Doom day for APs are about to come.

  • joeblackjack

     

    Quote: BJgenius007 said:
    One casino I played often is the Meadows. The dealer pushes the button before he or she deals every hand. Going to the cage, the cashier puts all chips on the mouse pad you described, including the $5 red chips, and it displays the total amount of money. Every chip has a RFID chip inside it, not just the $100 black chips or higher. The casinos are tracking everybody’s spread. The eye in the sky will check all persons who are not flat betting. More than that, if the person is a winner to the cage, they will review the tapes to make sure if he or she is AP or not based on the spread pattern recorded. Doom day for APs are about to come.

    You are correct that all chips in places that use RFID generally have the chips in them. I’ve just never had larger places in vegas bother putting amounts under $5k on the pad. One cashier at Aria was so busy looking at my playing history in the computer that she forgot to put a $25,000 chip on there (I suppose it’s possible that I missed her doing it, but I was watching closely and the pad was closer to me than her) and the supervisor that came to approve the cashout either forgot as well or assumed the cashier had run it before she got there.

  • Friendo

     

    Quote: BJgenius007 said:
    The eye in the sky will check all persons who are not flat betting. More than that, if the person is a winner to the cage, they will review the tapes to make sure if he or she is AP or not based on the spread pattern recorded. Doom day for APs are about to come.

    Maybe I’m whistling in the dark on this one, but haven’t such predictions been common for 15 years?

    A hell of a lot of non-APs spread like Herpes crossed with wildfire. Any AP-type spreading is already apparent to the motivated surveillance team, which
    does not seem to have a mandate to watch every spreading player under current conditions. Why make a dealer push a button, thereby slowing down play and cutting the hourly drop and the rake, to do what they can already do from the tapes anyway?

    (That last sentence assumes that casino management is reasonable: probably I should not have written it.)

  • Sucker

     

    Quote: Friendo said:
    Maybe I’m whistling in the dark on this one, but haven’t such predictions been common for 15 years?

    Much longer than that. I naively made that statement to my blackjack mentor (who’s identity I’m not ready to reveal) about 30 years ago. His response? “People have been saying that since LONG BEFORE Thorp wrote the book. You will find holes in casino games for the rest of your life.” I’m starting to think that he was RIGHT!

  • aslan

     

    Quote: Sucker said:
    Much longer than that. I naively made that statement to my blackjack mentor (who’s identity I’m not ready to reveal) about 30 years ago. His response? “People have been saying that since LONG BEFORE Thorp wrote the book. You will find holes in casino games for the rest of your life.” I’m starting to think that he was RIGHT!

    I hope you live to a ripe old age!

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