Craps

[Dyepaintball12]

I have been reading up on Craps, and was wondering if anyone here plays it seriously at all? Any good/bad experiences with it? Should I forget about it and stick to Blackjack?

[pcristiani]

It's pure luck I would stay out of it, same deal with roullette.

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by pcristiani

It's pure luck I would stay out of it, same deal with roullette.

Not necessarily, there is a book in this store on dice revolution. It is possible to beat the game with a controlled throw of the dice. I have never read the book or tried the technique, but don't be so quick to rule out advantage play on craps...

[nc-tom]

I play as a form of cover especially if i am playing BJ in the hotel where i am staying or when i am finished with bj for the day and just want to party. Not a bad game if you stick to the 5 best bets-pass line with odds-placing the 6 and/or 8. Come bet with odds or dont come bet without odds.You can get the house edge at the wizards site.One thing about the crap table, it usually gets the best cocktail service on the floor.

[Sonny]

Technically, both craps and roulette can be beaten. There are several methods for roulette such as sector prediction and wheel defects. I honestly don’t know much about it but there is more information and a free forum here:

http://www.advantageplayer.com/roulette/index.html

Craps can also be beaten by different methods of dice control and dice setting. Stanford Wong, among others, has written a book describing those techniques and the degree of advantage one can expect. The following websites may be helpful:

http://www.dicesetter.com/mp/main_toc.htm
http://dicecoach.com/
http://sharpshootercraps.com/

Both games require a lot of practice. I don’t know if they are of practical use in a casino, but technically they do exist.

-Sonny-

[shadroch]

A 3 person team can clean up up comps at a craps table.
Arrive seperately,then two players bet opposite of whatever the third,big player does.
It helps to find a table where someone else is betting the "wrong" way,but if player A is betting $50 a hand,and B&C split the $50 in different fashions,Player A will rake in very nice comps,while risking zero cash.Two or three hours will get you free rooms,and dinner in the "steakhouse" for 4.
a couple hours a day for a week and you're looking at a free trip.
Obviously,most casinos aren't completely stupid so you need to disguise your team.but its not that difficult.

[rdorange]

BJ and Craps are the only casino games I will play. With the proper self control, Craps can be VERY profitable, not to mention fun. If you put a loss limit on your game, you can catch hot streaks and make good profits. Craps does not hurt my bankroll as much as BJ does. But, it doesn't help my bankroll as much either! The most I have won playing Craps for one session is $500 for a few hours. The most I have won playing BJ was $1,000 for a few hours.

I would highly recommend reading the book "So You Wanna Be A Gambler" (advanced Craps) by John Patrick. This book has a lot of betting strategies and money management along with discipline advice. I found quite a bit of the information very valuable when applied to BJ and gambling in general. You can make lots of adjustments to the techniques taught and just apply them to your own style of play.

Other members mentioned controlled dice setting in their replies... I (personally) don't think you can control the dice, but you can shoot the same way every time and you will definitely notice the numbers (patterns) that you roll more frequent than others. This will affect the way you bet on your own roll!

Good luck and keep us informed of what you do.

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by rdorange

Other members mentioned controlled dice setting in their replies... I (personally) don't think you can control the dice, but you can shoot the same way every time and you will definitely notice the numbers (patterns) that you roll more frequent than others. This will affect the way you bet on your own roll!

Good luck and keep us informed of what you do.

You say you can't control the dice and but what you say immediately after sounds like dice control to me! Throwing in a consistent manner to make certain numbers come up more often IS dice control.

[avs21]

You can control the dice, one of my best friends when he goes on vacation sometimes will play with this guy who can control the dice. He bought a professional Craps table at home and practiced many hours and from what I hear this guy is quite successful.

[Cass]

Originally Posted by avs21

You can control the dice, one of my best friends when he goes on vacation sometimes will play with this guy who can control the dice. He bought a professional Craps table at home and practiced many hours and from what I hear this guy is quite successful.

I wonder if the casinos would refuse service to a very successful craps player?