Craps

[Automatic Monkey]

Recently I've been buying in at craps for cover and to make it harder for the BJ pit to keep track of me. And I must say, in my very limited number of trials, putting an extreme spin around the 3-4 axis seems to be working if I want to throw a 7 or an easy point.

Only problem is, the spin is so extreme, the dice pop 4 feet into the air sometimes when they hit the felt! Then they take out stacks of chips. It is kind of fun, fancying myself a pitcher throwing a slider up there. But I wouldn't stake any serious money on this method without a few thousand trials on a craps table, with recording data.

 

[rdorange]

Craps killed me!

My last trip to Biloxi was fun. I played profitable blackjack. Actuall won $400 on the DD games at Isle, Beau and Boomtown. BUT, and thats a huuuuge BUTT....I lost my butt real bad at craps. I just didn't do anything I had said I would do! Between me and my wife, we lost our whole bankroll for the trip!

 

[traynor]

Craps and mental states

Does anyone realize that the entire "psi phenomena" research trip that started at Duke University (Dr. J. B. Rhine) was instigated by a young man who claimed that in certain "moods" he could exert mental influence over the dice? The description of his conversation with Rhine is an eye-opener, unlike the deathly boring "research" that followed (which seemed intent on boring participants to the point of utter disgust and resignation).

The point of the (professional) dice player was that he had studied his own subjective mental states, identified a particular one that was coincident with winning, and developed it to a degree that he was able to win substantial amounts of profit.

Some years ago, publisher Lyle Stuart wrote about the same thing in regard to both blackjack and baccarat. His descriptions were almost identical to the dice player at Duke University; a "special mental state" that enabled him to win substantially more than "normal." And, conversely, to realize the connection of that mental state to winning, so that he could stop playing when the mental state changed--avoiding substantial losses. (All meticulously recorded, not just conjecture.)

Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon? That is, a particular feeling of extreme certainty, self-confidence, bordering on exhilaration, coincident with winning? Have you done anything to develop it? Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Good Luck

 

[rdorange]

Like telepathy or luck?

If I could do (feel) that, I would have won last week!
No let's rephrase that, I would not have lost! :laugh:

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Busted!

Uh oh I got busted putting extreme spin on the dice last week! This is just cover play so I don't take it seriously, but so far I haven't been doing badly.

One of the dice slipped out of my hand and landed right in front of the boxman, spinning like a Whitey Ford curveball. When it stopped, he looked up at me and told me spinning the dice wasn't allowed. It already had been a long hand, and the dealers were swearing under their breath as I took down stacks of chips with the dice. Got my 7 and ran like hell, I'd better not get barred from this casino for craps!

 

[sagefr0g]

Does anyone realize that the entire "psi phenomena" research trip that started at Duke University (Dr. J. B. Rhine) was instigated by a young man who claimed that in certain "moods" he could exert mental influence over the dice? The description of his conversation with Rhine is an eye-opener, unlike the deathly boring "research" that followed (which seemed intent on boring participants to the point of utter disgust and resignation).

The point of the (professional) dice player was that he had studied his own subjective mental states, identified a particular one that was coincident with winning, and developed it to a degree that he was able to win substantial amounts of profit.

Some years ago, publisher Lyle Stuart wrote about the same thing in regard to both blackjack and baccarat. His descriptions were almost identical to the dice player at Duke University; a "special mental state" that enabled him to win substantially more than "normal." And, conversely, to realize the connection of that mental state to winning, so that he could stop playing when the mental state changed--avoiding substantial losses. (All meticulously recorded, not just conjecture.)

Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon? That is, a particular feeling of extreme certainty, self-confidence, bordering on exhilaration, coincident with winning? Have you done anything to develop it? Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Good Luck

i've experienced something sort of similar. i've been thinking about this just the other day. i was thinking it's much like basketball players such as Jordan who would find themselves in the 'zone' so to speak.
my own experience has never been while actually playing but during practice sessions. it's an experience wherein counting the cards and seeing the plays and possibilities is almost musical or harmonical.
never have tryed to develope this.
are there internet links to the referances you made above?
best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[traynor]

i've experienced something sort of similar. i've been thinking about this just the other day. i was thinking it's much like basketball players such as Jordan who would find themselves in the 'zone' so to speak.
my own experience has never been while actually playing but during practice sessions. it's an experience wherein counting the cards and seeing the plays and possibilities is almost musical or harmonical.
never have tryed to develope this.
are there internet links to the referances you made above?
best regards,
mr fr0g

"On Baccarat" or "Lyle Stuart On Baccarat" should be available at Amazon cheap cheap (like a couple of dollars max) if you can't find it locally at a used book store or library. He gives the best descriptions (throughout the book) of how he developed the state. Stuart is a SERIOUS bettor ($2000 average hand, and yes, that is the right number of zeros).

The issue is considered important enough that a group of casinos hired "RV consultants" to wander around their casinos trying to spot "other RVers using psi to win." Still do, as far as I know. Casinos worry more about the possibility of a psi adept hitting them for a BIG run at craps or baccarat than they EVER have about someone grinding out a few bucks at blackjack.
Good Luck

 

[supercoolmancool]

"On Baccarat" or "Lyle Stuart On Baccarat" should be available at Amazon cheap cheap (like a couple of dollars max) if you can't find it locally at a used book store or library. He gives the best descriptions (throughout the book) of how he developed the state. Stuart is a SERIOUS bettor ($2000 average hand, and yes, that is the right number of zeros).

The issue is considered important enough that a group of casinos hired "RV consultants" to wander around their casinos trying to spot "other RVers using psi to win." Still do, as far as I know. Casinos worry more about the possibility of a psi adept hitting them for a BIG run at craps or baccarat than they EVER have about someone grinding out a few bucks at blackjack.
Good Luck

hmmmm that is interesting because everything I have ever heard or read has informed me that casinos are not and never have been afraid of psychics. At least that is what Arnold Snyder said in Blackbelt in Blackjack.

 

[sagefr0g]

"On Baccarat" or "Lyle Stuart On Baccarat" should be available at Amazon cheap cheap (like a couple of dollars max) if you can't find it locally at a used book store or library. He gives the best descriptions (throughout the book) of how he developed the state. Stuart is a SERIOUS bettor ($2000 average hand, and yes, that is the right number of zeros).
The issue is considered important enough that a group of casinos hired "RV consultants" to wander around their casinos trying to spot "other RVers using psi to win." Still do, as far as I know. Casinos worry more about the possibility of a psi adept hitting them for a BIG run at craps or baccarat than they EVER have about someone grinding out a few bucks at blackjack.
Good Luck

what did you think about Stuart's treatise concerning this issue?
best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[ScottH]

hmmmm that is interesting because everything I have ever heard or read has informed me that casinos are not and never have been afraid of psychics. At least that is what Arnold Snyder said in Blackbelt in Blackjack.

If I had a casino I would COMP the RV'ers to whatever they wanted! Anything to keep their money in action. :laugh:

 

[traynor]

hmmmm that is interesting because everything I have ever heard or read has informed me that casinos are not and never have been afraid of psychics. At least that is what Arnold Snyder said in Blackbelt in Blackjack.

Uh huh. From the guy that says he makes a lot more writing about blackjack than he does playing blackjack? Casinos are considerably more worried about psychics than they have ever been about counters. From their view (which may be fairly accurate), the "edge" that most counters beleive they have is mostly wishful thinking.
Good Luck

 

[traynor]

what did you think about Stuart's treatise concerning this issue?
best regards,
mr fr0g

I have considerably more respect for the opinion of someone who routinely bets $2000 a hand than that of someone who makes a living telling people how to do something he doesn't (or can't) do himself.
Good Luck

 

[traynor]

If I had a casino I would COMP the RV'ers to whatever they wanted! Anything to keep their money in action. :laugh:

I guess that might be why you don't have a casino. :laugh:

 

[ScottH]

I guess that might be why you don't have a casino. :laugh:

Well, you can't use your psychic powers for self benefit right? So casinos really wouldn't have to be worried about them if that were true since gambling for money is definitely using the power for self-benefit.

 

[traynor]

Well, you can't use your psychic powers for self benefit right? So casinos really wouldn't have to be worried about them if that were true since gambling for money is definitely using the power for self-benefit.

Simply put, your perception creates your reality. If you perceive that psychic ability cannot be used for personal gain, you internalize that belief, and tend to act in a manner consistent with the belief. Technically, it is to avoid the "uncomfortable state" that Festinger called "cognitive dissonance," which is a "disconnect" between internalized beliefs and external behavior.

I have no idea where the "you can't use it for personal gain" came from. It was fully developed by the time Buchanan and McMoneagle were hanging around Stargate, and is a part of almost all "RV literature." However, it should be noted that "RV" is new term applied to a set of protocols (procedures) for doing something that is very, very old.

Perhaps as CYA strategy to prevent disappointment from seminar participants who failed to develop wondorous powers, it became common to declare that it couldn't be used for personal gain (although marketing seminars at a $1000 a day per head might be seen as personal gain).

Psychics in general tend to be very pragmatic; the ONLY reason they do it is for their own (or someone else's benefit). The notion that psychic ability cannot be used for personal gain is--as far as I know--associated primarily with the RV crowd.
Good Luck

 

[ScottH]

Simply put, your perception creates your reality. If you perceive that psychic ability cannot be used for personal gain, you internalize that belief, and tend to act in a manner consistent with the belief. Technically, it is to avoid the "uncomfortable state" that Festinger called "cognitive dissonance," which is a "disconnect" between internalized beliefs and external behavior.

I have no idea where the "you can't use it for personal gain" came from. It was fully developed by the time Buchanan and McMoneagle were hanging around Stargate, and is a part of almost all "RV literature." However, it should be noted that "RV" is new term applied to a set of protocols (procedures) for doing something that is very, very old.

Perhaps as CYA strategy to prevent disappointment from seminar participants who failed to develop wondorous powers, it became common to declare that it couldn't be used for personal gain (although marketing seminars at a $1000 a day per head might be seen as personal gain).

Psychics in general tend to be very pragmatic; the ONLY reason they do it is for their own (or someone else's benefit). The notion that psychic ability cannot be used for personal gain is--as far as I know--associated primarily with the RV crowd.
Good Luck

I actually got the idea that it can't be used from personal gain from one of your posts.

Personally I don't think it's real. BUT if it were real I would think that you can use it for anything you wanted to. I don't think that the universal mind (or something like that) would get mad at you and take away your powers if you use them for personal gain. I think the idea of "you can't use it for personal gain" came about as a way to explain why remote viewers are not incredibly rich and successful. So if anyone says, "If you can RV why can't you do ____." They can respond with, "I could, but you can't use the power for personal gain or you will lose it."

 

[traynor]

I actually got the idea that it can't be used from personal gain from one of your posts.

Personally I don't think it's real. BUT if it were real I would think that you can use it for anything you wanted to. I don't think that the universal mind (or something like that) would get mad at you and take away your powers if you use them for personal gain. I think the idea of "you can't use it for personal gain" came about as a way to explain why remote viewers are not incredibly rich and successful. So if anyone says, "If you can RV why can't you do ____." They can respond with, "I could, but you can't use the power for personal gain or you will lose it."

That pretty well explains it. Well said!

I think belief is a problem because everyone wants to believe that it is something "out there" that provides the information. In most case (if not nearly all cases) "RV" is little more than subconscious information-processing and pattern-recognition skills that have been so supressed they seem spectacular when they surface as "RV impressions." In general, it ain't rocket science, and it don't go bump in the night.

One explanation (from a VERY good blackjack player) is that if he relaxes his eyes when the dealer is shuffling, he can "learn" enough information "subconsciously" to give him a very comfortable edge. If you read some of John Scarne's old books, he did much the same thing. So do a number of other professional players.

Not psychic at all. All the RV framework does is put it into a context; it would be just as easy to call it subconscious perception and information processing (but "RV" is shorter). Your post is a perfect call; the excuse of "something out there" is an excuse for failure, pure and simple. Toss that from the equation, and what is left is a continual process of perfecting your own skills at perception and subconscious information processing.

That may seem like a lot of work, and rightly so. However, the rewards are more than commensurate with the effort expended.
Good Luck

 

[supercoolmancool]

That pretty well explains it. Well said!

I think belief is a problem because everyone wants to believe that it is something "out there" that provides the information. In most case (if not nearly all cases) "RV" is little more than subconscious information-processing and pattern-recognition skills that have been so supressed they seem spectacular when they surface as "RV impressions." In general, it ain't rocket science, and it don't go bump in the night.

One explanation (from a VERY good blackjack player) is that if he relaxes his eyes when the dealer is shuffling, he can "learn" enough information "subconsciously" to give him a very comfortable edge. If you read some of John Scarne's old books, he did much the same thing. So do a number of other professional players.

Not psychic at all. All the RV framework does is put it into a context; it would be just as easy to call it subconscious perception and information processing (but "RV" is shorter). Your post is a perfect call; the excuse of "something out there" is an excuse for failure, pure and simple. Toss that from the equation, and what is left is a continual process of perfecting your own skills at perception and subconscious information processing.

That may seem like a lot of work, and rightly so. However, the rewards are more than commensurate with the effort expended.
Good Luck

What does his subconscious tell him that he doesn't already know and how does your subconscious know?

 

[supercoolmancool]

I have a multiple choice test tomorrow.

Got any pointers?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[ScottH]

I have a multiple choice test tomorrow.

Got any pointers?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

ABACADABBA! Statistically proven to be better than "dialing down the middle". :laugh: