Bear "exaggerated" his Reno Trip Reports

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c_st

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I don't post often but I got this from a good BJ buddy. I want to share some details.

There was a post on bj21.com where the original poster ("OP") stated Bear exaggerated his Reno trip reports. Unfortunately, the post was subsequently deleted.

The first part of the post was on how easy it was to get a green chip membership on bj21.com. It also talks about the lack of third-party verification of posts. That means I can get a GC membership as Joe Blo and then proceed to make up bogus stories, i.e. about my BJ skills, my bankroll, my trip reports, etc.

The second part of the post had the good stuff. There's this guy called the The Chaperone who brags he lost six figures in one day but then proceeded to win it back the same day. Obviously, there's no one to verify this. The OP pointed had The Chaperone played in a casino that could identify counters, The Chaperone would have been backed off before he won back his money.

Then it goes on about how Bear exaggerated his Reno trip reports. The OP compared Bear's Reno trip reports against those of two seasoned Reno counters. The OP found the two seasoned counters had losing sessions and constantly struggled to make money. The most important observation about Bear was that he never had a losing trip. Then the OP pointed out Bear routinuely wins money from Three Card Poker (TCP) but Bear never mentioned TCP in his trip reports. The OP concluded Bear's winning trips from his BJ play were misleading and thus exaggerated.

If the post had contained wrong information, Bear would have easily refuted it. However, act of taking down that post points to a coverup. There were some truth to the post because it is a known fact Bear plays TCP.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Hmmm. Is this sort of post legal?

Most likely the BJ21 post was removed, not as a coverup, but due to personal attacks TOSV.

LV Bear is one of the most dependable and incontrovertible independent AP and casino commentary sources going.

He is also a verified bona fide AP.

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That aside, I remember how we met - I was frequenting the Western and spied a player getting down a 1-40 spread of red for a good hour at 1D. The pit was oblivious to him.

When he quit and cashed out I caught up with him on the street and told him, "That was the most obnoxious spread I've seen in decades."

He replied, "Oh well, I just got lucky bla bla," while he was noticeably bothered by my approach. I responded with an old Kenny Uston line, "Save that sh*t for the pit," laughing, and told him "I am inspired by what I saw!", which made him more flustered and walk even faster.

Finally I said "Hey I'm Zengrifter!" and he busted a gut and roared "How the hell are you, I'm LV Bear!" zg

See also -
LV Bear Interview
The Bear Growls Blog

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Sucker

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Something doesn't smell quite right here...

Rather than desperately seeking excuses to discredit a brilliant, successful AP; this "OP's" time would have been much better spent HEEDING the advice of someone as experienced and capable as the LVBear. Perhaps he could have LEARNED something from him.

Sounds to me like a bitter, and jealous person. A failed card counter (of which there IS no short supply).

BTW, there could be a hundred reasons why that post was taken down. To use the phrase "cover up" is a pretty big leap!

Like I said, something suspicious about this...
 
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The Chaperone

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Link please.

Hi. I'd like a link or quote of what I said. Maybe I can clear something up. Was this something I posted or something someone posted about me? Also, what does the post about me have to do with LVBear? Your OP was very confusing to me.
 
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paddywhack

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I read it too, long before it was deleted.

Quit trying to inflame things. I know of the specifics of that post and it had nothing to do with The Chaperone. And LVBear is one of the most respected members of the AP community. If he left things out of a post it was for his own game protection.

Where do you guys come from???
 
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BMDD

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I'm not to sure about the point of this post, you're saying that LV Bear is an excellent AP who's blackjack wins appear exaggerated because he isn't careless in divulging info about the "other games" he plays?

My theory is that c_st is an obsessively paranoid Harrah's exec. trying to bum out new-comers on the current state of advantage play by attempting to get them to regard AP's as very lowly people.
 
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c_st

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Follow Up

The post was made in response to a request for egregious examples of bogus posts on green chip. Bear was used as one of three examples. Why couldn't Bear just write say I won money from BJ and other games?? Instead, Bear gave the false impression he never loses money from BJ. The OP stated he personally saw Bear play TCP in Reno and then realized Bear's Reno trip reports were exaggerate.

If you asked me, the post was deleted for business reasons as Bear or Stanford didn't want to diminish the value of future green chip membership fees.

To BMDD, I am just passing along facts as a favor -- no more and no less. Okay, Bear exaggerated his Reno trip reports; life goes on.
 
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MeWin$

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Wtf?!

Seriously, Wtf?!

You keep saying he exaggerates his trip reports, why?
First off, you werent there so you couldnt possibly know, but what about your response regarding changing minor details to preserve anonymity?
It seems reasonable that some things must change for safety.
Also, who cares anyway? What is your point?
You said 'it looks like a coverup is in effect to protect Green chip fees'?!
Nobody with half a brain, or anyone with a Green Chip membership will believe your, frankly, ridiculous comments so why bother?.....
As was writing this i realized that i may be a personal thing or i may have just got trolled. I think i just got trolled, lol.
Oh well...
 
LV Bear

LV Bear

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This is truly hilarious

Bear was used as one of three examples. Why couldn't Bear just write say I won money from BJ and other games?? Instead, Bear gave the false impression he never loses money from BJ.

I believe the original poster was referring to two posts from 2005 and/or 2006 that described moderate winning trips, nothing spectacular. I often lose money in the short term at blackjack, as does every other AP. And I often lose money in the short term at other games, too, as does every other AP. In 2005 and/or 2006, when the subject posts were written, less was publicly known about the other games than is now, so naturally I was not going to write anything about them. In fact, I don't think I ever have. It is pointless to risk burning out future opportunities for myself and others for no good reason. The moderate winnings described in the posts reflected blackjack trip winnings only, on those trips. It is incomprehensible to me that someone could reach the conclusion from those posts that Bear gave the false impression he never loses money from BJ.
 
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The Chaperone

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c_st said:
The post was made in response to a request for egregious examples of bogus posts on green chip. Bear was used as one of three examples. Why couldn't Bear just write say I won money from BJ and other games?? Instead, Bear gave the false impression he never loses money from BJ. The OP stated he personally saw Bear play TCP in Reno and then realized Bear's Reno trip reports were exaggerate.

If you asked me, the post was deleted for business reasons as Bear or Stanford didn't want to diminish the value of future green chip membership fees.

To BMDD, I am just passing along facts as a favor -- no more and no less. Okay, Bear exaggerated his Reno trip reports; life goes on.
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You mentioned me by name in the OP. Please explain.

-chap
 
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Sucker

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c_st said:
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AP is a dying art
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The OP's postscript, or motto, if you wish.
I think this explains it all.
I stand by my opinion of "Bitter, jealous, failed card counter". Probably someone who was denied green chip membership. Or possibly angry because HIS post (the one he's referring to) on BJ21 was taken down. :laugh:

Fact is; for those of us with the ability to ADAPT, the art of AP is actually getting MUCH stronger! I personally am at a point in my career where I could not possibly AFFORD to do anything else.:devil:
 
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Baberuth

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C T Why the attack without 3rd party verification?

The attack on Chaperone or Bear was in poor taste.
It was "Absence Without Malice"
Why???
 
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Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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c_st said:
The post was made in response to a request for egregious examples of bogus posts on green chip. Bear was used as one of three examples. Why couldn't Bear just write say I won money from BJ and other games?? Instead, Bear gave the false impression he never loses money from BJ. The OP stated he personally saw Bear play TCP in Reno and then realized Bear's Reno trip reports were exaggerate.

If you asked me, the post was deleted for business reasons as Bear or Stanford didn't want to diminish the value of future green chip membership fees.

To BMDD, I am just passing along facts as a favor -- no more and no less. Okay, Bear exaggerated his Reno trip reports; life goes on.
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All smart AP's change details of trip reports, if they post trip reports at all. People who know me know if I say I'm in a city or a casino, I'm really nowhere near that place. What we do is sub rosa and the nature of message boards makes it easy to forget that fact. There are some things I talk about and others I don't.

But posting about anyone's play other than one's own is taboo. If LVB plays 3CP I'm going to let him say that, not me. As AP's we all are painfully aware that no one wins all the time and if someone chooses to talk only about their wins or only about their losses, that's their business too. I believe you have violated that taboo with your messages here.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Automatic Monkey said:
I believe you have violated that taboo with your messages here.
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Apparently not because I asked that in the first response.
If the OP (I learned a new term) was in violation it would have been struck, right? zg
 
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