Carrying cash?

shadroch

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#21
psyduck said:
Invasion if you go back far enough.

To break a law, a law has to be in place. As the native Americans had no such laws, none were broken. Invading another country or conquest by force of arms only became illegal in the Twentieth Century
 

psyduck

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#22
shadroch said:
To break a law, a law has to be in place. As the native Americans had no such laws, none were broken. Invading another country or conquest by force of arms only became illegal in the Twentieth Century
I will try not to be off subject too long.

That is the problem. People invade first and then make up some laws for others to follow. Invasion is illegal in the 20th century? Wow, didn't the US just invade two other countries? Was is in the 20th century? Oh dang it! It was in the 21st centrury. No wonder it was legal!
 
#23
21gunsalute said:
What if someone puts a gun to your head?
He'll have to try it to find out. Maybe I'll give him the money, or maybe I feel luckier than him that day. Either way, it would be a bad move because give him the money or not, he has nothing to gain by shooting me. But if I choose to grapple and take his gun, I have nothing to lose by shooting him, he's just a felon caught in the act.
 
#24
psyduck said:
I will try not to be off subject too long.

That is the problem. People invade first and then make up some laws for others to follow. Invasion is illegal in the 20th century? Wow, didn't the US just invade two other countries? Was is in the 20th century? Oh dang it! It was in the 21st centrury. No wonder it was legal!
The last three countries the US invaded were Iraq, Yugoslavia and Haiti.

We did not invade Afghanistan. We were there under the invite of the remnants of the internationally recognized government, known then as the Northern Alliance.
 

aslan

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#25
Pro21 said:
Carrying cash is a big problem for pros. If you go in or out of the country with over 10k you must declare it for risk forfeiture.

Some people advocate going to the local bank branch to withdraw and deposit money but this restricts your travel days, and may be easy in a city like Vegas but try going to a bank in Bumf**k Minnesota and asking to withdraw 30k in cash. I don't think so.

All professionals that I know carry cash. Often it is 30 40 50k. We carry it on planes, and we drive with it in cars. It is a constant cause for concern.

There might be some professionals that have a clean name they can use to cash a check at a casino... but I don't know any of them. (Even when pros were using fake ID to get players cards, I don't know any that would have risked cashing a check.)
I had a friend who was thought to be carrying $100,000. Someone fingered him. They met him and another in the parking lot where they were gambling. They took them for a ride, stripped them, and left them sans their money and clothes. They considered themselves lucky, not that they didn't have $100,000, but that the robbers didn't kill them when they discovered they only had $10,000. I guess the robbers felt it was a good enough consolation prize and let them live. This all happened not too very far from Chicago.

I knew a pool player who got robbed after making a big score. He pointed out to the robber that like him who made his living with a 38 caliber handgun, he made his living with an 18 ounce cue stick. The robber took pity and left him $100 to bankroll his recovery.
 
#27
Automatic Monkey said:
We did not invade Afghanistan. We were there under the invite of the remnants of the internationally recognized government, known then as the Northern Alliance.
And I'm a [automatic] monkey's uncle. zg
 

aslan

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#29
Automatic Monkey said:
Excellent ideas. I also use BofA for exactly that purpose. It's a very satisfying feeling making that deposit at the end of a good trip!

And I also use the pouch over my unit. $19K has been in there and it just looks like I've been brushed against by the cocktail waitress, nothing too conspicuous. An advantage to that kind of carry is that no one is going to be able to go down there with his hands without putting himself in a position to take serious punches. If you're capable of violence, carry or fashion a kubotan and practice on some disposable objects.
A friend of mine was in Vegas last year and hit it big playing roulette to the tune of $17,000. He had to catch a plane almost immediately after that, so he had every pocket stuffed with money, including his original bankroll

Isn't there some law about how much cash you can carry on a plane or something without declaring it? At the very least, if he were caught with so much cash, he would have immediately been assumed to be somehow implicated in drugs.

That's why when I drive a friend of mine who smokes pot to Atlantic City, I insist that he leave the pot and any other kind of drug behind. I can just imagine being stopped for speeding and somehow they catch him with his stash and then find me carrying my bankroll. Images of my impounded car, phone calls to my wife to come and get us, and days in a New Jersey court explaining my innocent gambling jaunt, not to mention, visions of the thousands I would have won at the tables! lol
 

aslan

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#30
psyduck said:
Besides the Native Americans, all others are illegal immigrants!
Provided of course that no one was here when they first arrived, and based on the theory that the first one anywhere gets to keep it all to themselves. Who ever made up that foolish rule anyway? I think it must go back to childhood. I've got "dibbs" on the front seat! Shotgun! Say it and its yours. Humans and their laws! Last one to comment is a rotten egg!
 

aslan

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#31
Automatic Monkey said:
He'll have to try it to find out. Maybe I'll give him the money, or maybe I feel luckier than him that day. Either way, it would be a bad move because give him the money or not, he has nothing to gain by shooting me. But if I choose to grapple and take his gun, I have nothing to lose by shooting him, he's just a felon caught in the act.
If he's a hardcore addict, and many armed robbers are, he may not even consider the gain or loss consequences of shooting you. You might just p*ss him off enough to kill you, or maybe he'll do it just cuz he can. I honestly believe that some of them will kill their own mother for a fix.
 

21forme

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#32
aslan said:
Isn't there some law about how much cash you can carry on a plane or something without declaring it?
If traveling out of the country, you are required to declare more than $10K in cash. For domestic flights, there are no laws about carrying cash.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#33
A poker player friend of mine says you can get a safety deposit box at the casino. Anyone know the details of this?

I went to my bank and asked them to raise my ATM limit. Wachovia will only allow you to raise your ATM withdrawal limit to $800. Anyone know of a bank that goes higher?
 

aslan

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#34
21forme said:
If traveling out of the country, you are required to declare more than $10K in cash. For domestic flights, there are no laws about carrying cash.
The man I told the story about carrying in excess of $17,000 on his person flying from Vegas used to be a top official in homeland security. Apparently, he knew the risk of a TSA agent detaining him if he was caught carrying so large an amount even though it is legal to do so. He tolde me he had cash stashed in every pocket and even in his socks and shirt. Imagine what would have happened if they caught him trying to hide the cash in this manner. It would have been much more difficult explaining his way out of that, besides being a hilarious scene. I guess he panicked. But to carefully stack it in his carry on luggage, if he had any, would likely have been caught on x-ray. :confused: What would you do if you didn't have time to go to the bank first? And then, you will be ID'd at the bank for making a deposit in excess of $10,000.
 

21forme

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#35
aslan said:
What would you do if you didn't have time to go to the bank first? And then, you will be ID'd at the bank for making a deposit in excess of $10,000.
So what if a CTR is issued? As long as you're paying your taxes, it's no big deal.
 

21gunsalute

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#36
shadroch said:
To break a law, a law has to be in place. As the native Americans had no such laws, none were broken. Invading another country or conquest by force of arms only became illegal in the Twentieth Century
Huh? Please document that "law". And while you're at it, try to name one non-third world country that hasn't been invaded and taken over by non-aborigine's. Actually, I doubt there are many third world countries that would qualify. And I'm not saying that what we did to Native Americans was right, but we gave them much better treatment than most "invaders" give to their "captives". And look at what we give them now! Unlimited hunting and fishing rights and casino's that don't even necessarily have to be on the reservation. People living on the Isabella Indian Reservation get $60,000 a year just from the casino proceeds and I doubt that is atypical. There was a time in our history when it may have been prudent to feel sorry for Native Americans, but that time has come and gone.
 

kewljason

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#37
aslan said:
A poker player friend of mine says you can get a safety deposit box at the casino. Anyone know the details of this?

I went to my bank and asked them to raise my ATM limit. Wachovia will only allow you to raise your ATM withdrawal limit to $800. Anyone know of a bank that goes higher?
I have a $3000 limit with BofA, but had to go into the office to have it set that high. Customer service on the telephone said they could not reset it that high, I had to go into the office and sit down with a manager who reset it. They always have to make things difficult and act like they are doing you a favor by giving you access to your own money. :confused:
 

aslan

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#39
kewljason said:
I have a $3000 limit with BofA, but had to go into the office to have it set that high. Customer service on the telephone said they could not reset it that high, I had to go into the office and sit down with a manager who reset it. They always have to make things difficult and act like they are doing you a favor by giving you access to your own money. :confused:
I had a similar experience, but even at the office, Wachovia would only consent to an $800 limit.

Your money? They don't look at it that way. lol:laugh::laugh:

ZG, have you got an conspiracy theories about banks knocking off any of its major depositors to get at their demand deposits? :eek:
 

shadroch

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#40
21gunsalute said:
Huh? Please document that "law". And while you're at it, try to name one non-third world country that hasn't been invaded and taken over by non-aborigine's. Actually, I doubt there are many third world countries that would qualify. And I'm not saying that what we did to Native Americans was right, but we gave them much better treatment than most "invaders" give to their "captives". And look at what we give them now! Unlimited hunting and fishing rights and casino's that don't even necessarily have to be on the reservation. People living on the Isabella Indian Reservation get $60,000 a year just from the casino proceeds and I doubt that is atypical. There was a time in our history when it may have been prudent to feel sorry for Native Americans, but that time has come and gone.

The United Nations charter, which has the rule of law makes it illegal to invade a country for the purpose of conquest. those who violate this law can be tried at The Haigue. The law has only been in effect since after WW2.
It's why the world rallied against Iraq when it "conquered" Kuwait, while not responding to the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. That was for the purpose of conquest.
 
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