Carrying cash?

#42
shadroch said:
The United Nations charter, which has the rule of law makes it illegal to invade a country for the purpose of conquest. those who violate this law can be tried at The Haigue. The law has only been in effect since after WW2.
It's why the world rallied against Iraq when it "conquered" Kuwait, while not responding to the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. That was for the purpose of conquest.
What part of the US Constitution gives US authorities the right to deport US citizens to The Hague to be tried by the UN? The "World Court" is a sham and kind of silly that it even exists in modern times. Fortunately the US has never participated in it.
 

aslan

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#44
Automatic Monkey said:
What part of the US Constitution gives US authorities the right to deport US citizens to The Hague to be tried by the UN? The "World Court" is a sham and kind of silly that it even exists in modern times. Fortunately the US has never participated in it.
The laws of the U.S. supercede any and all laws of any other body including the U.N. The U.N. has laws but not in the ordinary sense since it is not a governing body. Its laws come from the mutual agreement of its members and are non binding. The decisions of the U.N. carry no moral authority nor should they be presumed just. As an organization, it has never lived up to its original expectations and sadly has become a platform for petty dictators and thugs.
 

shadroch

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#45
Automatic Monkey said:
What part of the US Constitution gives US authorities the right to deport US citizens to The Hague to be tried by the UN? The "World Court" is a sham and kind of silly that it even exists in modern times. Fortunately the US has never participated in it.



The part that gives The President and Congress permission to negotiate and sign treaties with other nations. Are you taking your civics lessons from Glen Beck or something?
 

johndoe

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#46
aslan said:
Speaking of carrying large sums of cash, does anyone ever carry protection of any kind?
I do, all the time, as long as it is legal. And whether or not I'm carrying cash.

The trouble is, weapons laws on tribal lands (even if legal in the state) are somewhat vague, and not really worth the risk. So I don't carry a firearm there.

But in Vegas, it's not too difficult to get a firearms license, and proper training; if you're there regularly you can just keep one in a safe deposit box or with a friend. A gun shop might even rent you one (or store it for you).

A folding knife is also a good weapon to have, as long as you are trained to use it properly, including legal ramifications. (That goes for all weapons.)

A powerful "tactical" flashlight is also an excellent deterrent, and can blind a thug long enough to get away. It's also excellent for aggressive panhandlers/drunks. And you can bring it on the plane!

Carrying any weapon does severely increase the risks involved with backroom visits, however. The last thing you need is for them to justify their assault/detention with "well, he had a knife!"

Even though it's a little less convenient, this is still a major reason I use valets exclusively. If you have a big pile of chips or a wad of cash, someone may very well follow you out. But it's pretty unlikely they'll jump you at the valet stand.
 
#47
shadroch said:
The part that gives The President and Congress permission to negotiate and sign treaties with other nations. Are you taking your civics lessons from Glen Beck or something?
It's never been tested whether or not the government can sign away the Bill of Rights in a treaty. What if the US signed a treaty with the Vatican City establishing Roman Catholicism as our state religion and giving bishops authority over all matters in the US?

Being all Americans accused of committing a crime in the US are guaranteed a trial in a US court under the US system of justice, it would be equally unconstitutional to deport any citizen to Europe to be tried under some other system.
 
#48
johndoe said:
I do, all the time, as long as it is legal. And whether or not I'm carrying cash.

The trouble is, weapons laws on tribal lands (even if legal in the state) are somewhat vague, and not really worth the risk. So I don't carry a firearm there.

But in Vegas, it's not too difficult to get a firearms license, and proper training; if you're there regularly you can just keep one in a safe deposit box or with a friend. A gun shop might even rent you one (or store it for you).

A folding knife is also a good weapon to have, as long as you are trained to use it properly, including legal ramifications. (That goes for all weapons.)

A powerful "tactical" flashlight is also an excellent deterrent, and can blind a thug long enough to get away. It's also excellent for aggressive panhandlers/drunks. And you can bring it on the plane!

Carrying any weapon does severely increase the risks involved with backroom visits, however. The last thing you need is for them to justify their assault/detention with "well, he had a knife!"

Even though it's a little less convenient, this is still a major reason I use valets exclusively. If you have a big pile of chips or a wad of cash, someone may very well follow you out. But it's pretty unlikely they'll jump you at the valet stand.
Excellent thoughts. I do believe all states with casinos have laws prohibiting concealed carry in a casino and/or any place with a liquor license.

And the backroom/arrest scenario is the frightening one. I don't think most of us would ever go to the backroom but if we are tackled or detained on trumped-up suspicion of cheating having any kind of weapon will give the police justification for bogus charges. Same for you potheads out there- a joint in the wallet is a bad decision.

For protection a lot of awareness and being a little squirrely in your movements is the most helpful. A robber doesn't just walk up to a guy at random and alone, they have to lay for you. So changing speeds and direction if you see anything at all suspicious is useful. And the valet is a great idea. A lot of the robberies in AC involve the parking garages. I usually opt for the outdoor lots in AC because they are less full of urine, and there are fewer places for an assailant to hide.
 

johndoe

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#49
Not that firearms are the best means of protection in casinos, but I'm pretty sure they're completely legal in LV casinos, as well as bars, unless there are signs clearly posted to the contrary. (I've never seen a sign.)

I'm pretty sure it's also legal to drink while carrying in most states, including NV, unless you are over the legal BAC limit.

(Not that either is a terribly good idea!)

Thread: http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/45057-carrying-las-vegas.html

Most of the midwest is pretty permissive for firearms (comments about tribal lands notwithstanding), but forget about carrying in NJ!

I'll keep paying the $3 tip for valet!
 

21forme

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#50
Automatic Monkey said:
For protection a lot of awareness and being a little squirrely in your movements is the most helpful. A robber doesn't just walk up to a guy at random and alone, they have to lay for you. So changing speeds and direction if you see anything at all suspicious is useful. And the valet is a great idea. A lot of the robberies in AC involve the parking garages. I usually opt for the outdoor lots in AC because they are less full of urine, and there are fewer places for an assailant to hide.
There are times I've gone down an escalator, heading towards an exit, then gone right back up when I had a concern about being followed from the cage.

I prefer the parking garages and, if necessary, will drive up to one of the top floors, just to find a spot close to the elevator.
 

shadroch

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#51
I have no idea what the firearm laws in Nevada are, but I find it very difficult to believe an out of state resident may purchase or rent a gun legally. Even in Virginia and Tejas, you must be a resident to purchase a firearm.
 

johndoe

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#52
shadroch said:
I have no idea what the firearm laws in Nevada are, but I find it very difficult to believe an out of state resident may purchase or rent a gun legally. Even in Virginia and Tejas, you must be a resident to purchase a firearm.
Believe it! It's really not that uncommon; in most civilized states citizens can still exercise their 2nd amendment rights! (At least with a permit)

http://www.ehow.com/how_2064610_get-permit-carry-concealed-weapon.html

For a while you had to get a nonresident permit; now Nevada will recognize permits from some other states.

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/nevada-ccw-state-laws.php (Archive copy)

This does apply to "carrying" a firearm, I couldn't find any information on "purchasing", but I doubt it's restrictive. Plus, it's perfectly legal to transport your own gun into the state if you so choose, even by air, as long as you are legal to possess the gun in both states. A gun dealer can also accept a shipment on your behalf; this is quite common, and costs around $30.
 

shadroch

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#53
Both those links state you must apply to the Sheriff of the county you reside in. Obviously, this means you must be a Nevada resident, in fact it states you must be a Nevada resident.Those links don't mention anything about buying a gun, or getting permits to carry one.
 

johndoe

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#54
In Nevada, if you are a nonresident, you can apply though ANY sheriff's office. I know several people who have done this. Some also just get a CCW from a state that Nevada recognizes, per the links. The links detail exactly what to do to get a CCW permit. A quick googling fills in the rest.

I personally have a collection of nonresident CCW's, and have gone through the process many times, but not yet for Nevada. It's really not a big deal, and not very difficult. (In most states. Good luck in IL!)
 

aslan

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#55
johndoe said:
In Nevada, if you are a nonresident, you can apply though ANY sheriff's office. I know several people who have done this. Some also just get a CCW from a state that Nevada recognizes, per the links. The links detail exactly what to do to get a CCW permit. A quick googling fills in the rest.

I personally have a collection of nonresident CCW's, and have gone through the process many times, but not yet for Nevada. It's really not a big deal, and not very difficult. (In most states. Good luck in IL!)
Only police and mobsters can carry handguns in IL?:laugh:
 

shadroch

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#57
johndoe said:
In Nevada, if you are a nonresident, you can apply though ANY sheriff's office. I know several people who have done this. Some also just get a CCW from a state that Nevada recognizes, per the links. The links detail exactly what to do to get a CCW permit. A quick googling fills in the rest.

I personally have a collection of nonresident CCW's, and have gone through the process many times, but not yet for Nevada. It's really not a big deal, and not very difficult. (In most states. Good luck in IL!)
In the second link, it specificly states you must be 21 and a Nevada resident.
 

aslan

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#58
johndoe said:
Yeah, good thing they're banned, since we all know that doing so has effectively prevented gun violence on Chicago city streets!
Yes, I think of that every St. Valentine's Day!
 

johndoe

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#59
shadroch said:
In the second link, it specificly states you must be 21 and a Nevada resident.
It also states that a non-resident permit is valid for 3 years, and costs $105. This is just sloppy writing by whoever made that website.

There is plenty of readily available information on applying for a nonresident CCW in Nevada if you can be bothered to look for it. For example:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/nevada.pdf

or better yet:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nevada+non-resident+concealed+carry+permit
 

Nynefingers

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#60
aslan said:
The man I told the story about carrying in excess of $17,000 on his person flying from Vegas used to be a top official in homeland security. Apparently, he knew the risk of a TSA agent detaining him if he was caught carrying so large an amount even though it is legal to do so. He tolde me he had cash stashed in every pocket and even in his socks and shirt. Imagine what would have happened if they caught him trying to hide the cash in this manner. It would have been much more difficult explaining his way out of that, besides being a hilarious scene. I guess he panicked. But to carefully stack it in his carry on luggage, if he had any, would likely have been caught on x-ray. :confused: What would you do if you didn't have time to go to the bank first? And then, you will be ID'd at the bank for making a deposit in excess of $10,000.
Cashing out at the casino should have generated a CTR, right? So if he gets stopped at the airport and tells the truth, it should be verifiable. I would imagine it might make for some major delays and hassles, possibly even seizure of the cash. But eventually, he'd get it back right? I mean it isn't hard to prove where it came from. Am I missing something?
 
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