counting doesn't work

[Blue Efficacy]

Counting certainly DOES work, yes. In the long run.

But you're never in the long run, we are always playing in the short run where anything can happen.

Personally there are relatively few games I will play with counting alone, I need a better advantage. I am lucky to have access to 6 deckers with 90% penetration, with either S17 or LS. This, along with 80% 2 deck game are the only games I will bother with straight counting. There are other games I enjoy quite a bit but then again I am more creative in tackling these. Also $5 minimums are plentiful which is very important if your bankroll is less than five figures which mine is.

I never intend to play in AC, I know that much.

Money can be made at blackjack, and card counting alone is not the way to do it in most cases.

 

[Billy C1]

Can I ask you to elaborate? You certainly don't advocate cheating do you?

BillyC1

 

[pogostick]

after 2 losing trips to atlantic city this year, plus 9 trips last summer resulting in a net loss, I am convinced card counting is a bunch a crap. Anyone saying they make a living is just full of BS. The only people making any money are the people on here hawking books, classes and software products. You all are in on this too I presume. Shame on you

I kinda agree with you. There are a limited casinos in A.C that you can actually put counting in practice to make any differance in the out come. those 6 decks and continus shuffling kill you. Just play basic BJ and relax , you can even have a few drinks and still have a good chance to win. Pogo PS > Card counting does work but,only for those that have put a lot of practice into it and can find the right table ,the right casino and a pit boss that looks the other way. For this I recommend cruise ships. Pogo

 

[Jack_Black]

Can I ask you to elaborate? You certainly don't advocate cheating do you?

BillyC1

Cheating is one way. but there are advanced techniques that are legal. Check out the advanced strategies section of the forum for more info.

 

[Billy C1]

Cheating is one way. but there are advanced techniques that are legal. Check out the advanced strategies section of the forum for more info.

Am I blind? I'm not seeing an advanced strategies section.

 

[Jack_Black]

Am I blind? I'm not seeing an advanced strategies section.

that is very possible.:whip::whip:

it's in the main blackjack section. sub section advanced strategies. we are talking about shuffle tracking, ace tracking, hole carding, spooking, and my new favorite....cheating.

 

[daddybo]

that is very possible.:whip::whip:

it's in the main blackjack section. sub section advanced strategies. we are talking about shuffle tracking, ace tracking, hole carding, spooking, and my new favorite....cheating.

I believe spooking is cheating... Am I wrong?

 

[Jack_Black]

yes it is. but then again, there was a court case that went in favor of the casino off of a fluke. a guy had his two lady friends memorize and keep track of the aces at the same table he was sitting at, and they would signal him when to bet big. Apparently it was considered fraud, since they were claiming to just be 2 women at the table and not advanced team players. I read it last night in snyder's big book of blackjack.

also, spooking isn't my favorite form of cheating.

 

[daddybo]

yes it is. but then again, there was a court case that went in favor of the casino off of a fluke. a guy had his two lady friends memorize and keep track of the aces at the same table he was sitting at, and they would signal him when to bet big. Apparently it was considered fraud, since they were claiming to just be 2 women at the table and not advanced team players. I read it last night in snyder's big book of blackjack.

also, spooking isn't my favorite form of cheating.

As I understand it, Spooking is receiving information from any source not available to a player sitting at the table. If they weren't playing at the table... then that would be a form of spooking. Not that I see anything wrong with it... but I believe the law does.

 

[Jack_Black]

I agree with you, I'm just saying that seems like the court can interpret the law how they see fit, which is why I gave this case as an example.

 

[daddybo]

I agree with you, I'm just saying that seems like the court can interpret the law how they see fit, which is why I gave this case as an example.

I see. I agree. Nowadays the law means very little if you ask me.. it is interpreted and enforced to suit what ever the whim of the powers that be. :whip:

 

[Billy C1]

that is very possible.:whip::whip:

it's in the main blackjack section. sub section advanced strategies. we are talking about shuffle tracking, ace tracking, hole carding, spooking, and my new favorite....cheating.

Thanks. The bad eyesight may be one of the reasons I use none of those strategies.

BillyC1

 

[Kasi]

Of course counting doesn't work when posted in Voodoo - absolutely nothing works in Voodoo as we all know.

I'm going to keep this a Voodoo secret because, if I posted it in Card-Counting, it would give too much away.

But, just the other day, me, The Wise One and CP walked into the hotel where The Rock was behind the desk and charged us $10 apiece. We paid, went to our room. A few minutes later The Flash walked by to take our bags up to oure room. The Rock told The Flash here's 5 $1bills to give back to those 3 guys because I made a mistake and the room is only $25.

On the way up, counter that he is, FLASH realizes if he just gives eac h guy $1 back, he will still have 2 in his pocket.

He does that. Counters as we three are we realize we have only now paid $9 each for the room and think this counting stuff is great.

But the REAL counters like KewlJ, Sonny etc are so darn good they actually know that we have paid $27 and Flash has $2 in his pocket, know 27 +2=29, and have been pocketing that 30th dollar for years now.

Clearly counting pays for everyone - we paid less, FLASH has more and the smart guys made a buck :grin:

 

[aslan]

Of course counting doesn't work when posted in Voodoo - absolutely nothing works in Voodoo as we all know.

I'm going to keep this a Voodoo secret because, if I posted it in Card-Counting, it would give too much away.

But, just the other day, me, The Wise One and CP walked into the hotel where The Rock was behind the desk and charged us $10 apiece. We paid, went to our room. A few minutes later The Flash walked by to take our bags up to oure room. The Rock told The Flash here's 5 $1bills to give back to those 3 guys because I made a mistake and the room is only $25.

On the way up, counter that he is, FLASH realizes if he just gives eac h guy $1 back, he will still have 2 in his pocket.

He does that. Counters as we three are we realize we have only now paid $9 each for the room and think this counting stuff is great.

But the REAL counters like KewlJ, Sonny etc are so darn good they actually know that we have paid $27 and Flash has $2 in his pocket, know 27 +2=29, and have been pocketing that 30th dollar for years now.

Clearly counting pays for everyone - we paid less, FLASH has more and the smart guys made a buck :grin:

Actually they paid two dollars more than they had to, not three dollars less. :grin::whip:

 

[azbetsgonewild]

whats your advantage when counting properly? 2% - 3%, so that means over time you could gain a whopping $3 per $100 you wagered.

Not many people have the patience or the bankroll to wait out the storm of variance. You will eventually come out ahead, but who knows it could be 2-3 years or even more down the line, and thats only if you play perfect.

Realisticly, its not a profession that you can profit from unless you seriously have a massive bankroll to survive the negative swings, there are going to be positive swings too, a lot of people who count are unexperienced sit down an have a big night, they think its because they counted and they somehow have an 'edge', yes they do have an edge but they win more because it was just a variance in their favor, not just because they were counting.

 

[kewljason]

whats your advantage when counting properly? 2% - 3%, so that means over time you could gain a whopping $3 per $100 you wagered.

Not many people have the patience or the bankroll to wait out the storm of variance. You will eventually come out ahead, but who knows it could be 2-3 years or even more down the line, and thats only if you play perfect.

Realisticly, its not a profession that you can profit from unless you seriously have a massive bankroll to survive the negative swings, there are going to be positive swings too, a lot of people who count are unexperienced sit down an have a big night, they think its because they counted and they somehow have an 'edge', yes they do have an edge but they win more because it was just a variance in their favor, not just because they were counting.

I wish I had 2-3% Mine is a half that. A lot closer to 1% than 3%.

 

[bjcount]

1.5% compounded daily on $1,000 for 20 years..... any math guys want to do that for us?

Then the guy who makes the 100th post in this thread.... I'll tell you where to mail the check each month.

Do you think that will end this most ridiculous thread?

BJC

 

[pogostick]

after 2 losing trips to atlantic city this year, plus 9 trips last summer resulting in a net loss, I am convinced card counting is a bunch a crap. Anyone saying they make a living is just full of BS. The only people making any money are the people on here hawking books, classes and software products. You all are in on this too I presume. Shame on you

Card counting does work, but you have to be patient. It will bring the house odds down ,but there is no gaurantee you will win ,just a better chance. I am stuck on this system of only increasing my bet when the count is +12 dealing out of a 6 deck shoe & half way through. I then forget about counting and use bs the rest of the shoe. If the count is - 12, it is a good time to go to the restroom or play miminum bets. I win about 50% of the time I play ,but I get free meals and room for my wife and myself ,so that has got to be worth something. Pogo ps> it may be just luck

 

[mvi222]

Counting and losing

Losing $3900 is not a "small sample" for me, nor do i believe it would be a small sample for most people. Can you make money at Blackjack by counting cards? Absolutely, but you can also lose a small fortune.

For the past four year I have played in Reno and won playing BS. I began to count and began to lose. When I sat down and analyzed it, I realized that I was not betting correctly. In some cases I just didn't fluxuate my bets enough. As everyone knows if you simply flat bet eventually the house wins. Second, I bet too high for my bankroll on high counts....I still believe in counting, but there is more to winning that just counting.

 

[aslan]

Of course counting doesn't work when posted in Voodoo - absolutely nothing works in Voodoo as we all know.

I'm going to keep this a Voodoo secret because, if I posted it in Card-Counting, it would give too much away.

But, just the other day, me, The Wise One and CP walked into the hotel where The Rock was behind the desk and charged us $10 apiece. We paid, went to our room. A few minutes later The Flash walked by to take our bags up to oure room. The Rock told The Flash here's 5 $1bills to give back to those 3 guys because I made a mistake and the room is only $25.

On the way up, counter that he is, FLASH realizes if he just gives eac h guy $1 back, he will still have 2 in his pocket.

He does that. Counters as we three are we realize we have only now paid $9 each for the room and think this counting stuff is great.

But the REAL counters like KewlJ, Sonny etc are so darn good they actually know that we have paid $27 and Flash has $2 in his pocket, know 27 +2=29, and have been pocketing that 30th dollar for years now.

Clearly counting pays for everyone - we paid less, FLASH has more and the smart guys made a buck :grin:

But the $2 represents $2 that was overpaid ($25 + $2 = $27) not $2 that was underpaid as you characterized it ($27 + $2 = $29).:laugh: