Damian's CIPHER WARNING -VIDEO

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Kasi

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LANIDAR said:
You are welcome. :) ​
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I thought maybe u had at least used the sytem.

You keep saying he never gave u any substantial funds - did he ever give u any funds?

So I guess, basically, he "leant" u the system so, if u won, he'd take 50% of the profits and, if u lost, he lost nothing?

I'm surprised u put so much time into the "system". What in the world ever made u believe, even for a second, his silly strands were the stairway to heaven? Answer optional lol.

I think the sytem would have uses for recording results of hands painlessly from a flat-bet point of view but not for winning money lol. Back when, I might have paid a few bucks for that aspect of it rather than doing it my own way.
 
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LANIDAR

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Kasi said:
I thought maybe u had at least used the sytem.

You keep saying he never gave u any substantial funds - did he ever give u any funds?

So I guess, basically, he "leant" u the system so, if u won, he'd take 50% of the profits and, if u lost, he lost nothing?

I'm surprised u put so much time into the "system". What in the world ever made u believe, even for a second, his silly strands were the stairway to heaven? Answer optional lol.

I think the sytem would have uses for recording results of hands painlessly from a flat-bet point of view but not for winning money lol. Back when, I might have paid a few bucks for that aspect of it rather than doing it my own way.
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One of the few times that we played he put up $200.00 and I put up an equal amount. We got it up to $600.00. We placed the $600.00 on what he thought would be a winning hand. Guess what! You're correct....gone!
He ranted and raved and cursed that it was a bad beat. I thought that he would put some money in the account to continue to play with. Nada, zero, nothing! That could have been the last time I heard from him.

He didn't lend the system to me. He gave it to me to use and to learn how to use it. He was going to give me $5,000.00 to start with. If I won, we split it.
If I lost, it was his loss. But, remember, as I said I did make money using the system on my own and it did work for me. If and remember I said IF, I had played using large sums of money, I would have done well. I don't like to gamble big. I was just a small fish in a big pond.

You are correct regarding the recording of results and also percentages of win loss ratios.

This may sound as if I am telling you that the system is good and works for everyone.
IT WILL NOT!
That's why he plays for other people with OTHER peoples money. They will NOT win using it. You must know how to use it properly or you can just throw your money down the nearest sewer.
 
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Kasi

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LANIDAR said:
You must know how to use it properly or you can just throw your money down the nearest sewer.
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Thanks Lanidar. Surely u know there is no way to "use it properly".

Betting an entire bankroll ($600) on one hand, not allowing for the possiblity of being able to double or split, should have been a major tip-off!

But it's nice u got a $200 "sticky bonus" from him :) Guess u got over on him as it turns out. Obviously, he was trying to use your $200 as a "sticky" but lost out.

But, c'mon, turning a $400 buy-in into $600 isn't exactly rare even without his system lol!
 
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ScottH

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Kasi said:
Thanks Lanidar. Surely u know there is no way to "use it properly".
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I can't believe that there are still people that believe this system works if you "know what you're doing" even after all of this comotion...
 
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LANIDAR

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ScottH:
I can't believe that there are still people that believe this system works if you "know what you're doing" even after all of this comotion...
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This commotion is about Cipher not paying 20K not whether the system works or not.
I didn't put myself out here to be ridiculed.
I am answering a question as honestly as I can.
I was asked and I answered.
 
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Kasi

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LANIDAR said:
This commotion is about Cipher not paying 20K not whether the system works or not.
I didn't put myself out here to be ridiculed.
I am answering a question as honestly as I can.
I was asked and I answered.
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Well I hope u don't mean if he pays the 20K, it's still all right to sell the system.

Didn't mean to ridicule u, if u think that, and appreciate your answers about ur personal use of the system.

But, you know, why aren't we asking John Patrick to pay back all his book royalties? Just because he rips everybody off $3.50 at a time?

Who's the bigger crook?
 
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ScottH

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LANIDAR said:
This commotion is about Cipher not paying 20K not whether the system works or not.
I didn't put myself out here to be ridiculed.
I am answering a question as honestly as I can.
I was asked and I answered.
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Hey, I may seem like an A-hole to you for saying that. But if you search the forums you will see that I said pretty much the same thing to LiquidChips, and well, we all know what happened to his 20k investment. I sound like a jerk, but nobody wants to hear the truth...
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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Liquid Chips said:
Just to keep the record straight, I gave Cipher the $20K in early March 2006. Cipher wasn't an issue here at that time.
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You still gave someone $20K for an internet blackjack system...sure makes the stock market look pretty good right now!
 
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LANIDAR

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Kasi said:
Well I hope u don't mean if he pays the 20K, it's still all right to sell the system.
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If Cipher were to give away the system with a huge red bow should anyone use it.....EVER!!!

Didn't mean to ridicule u, if u think that, and appreciate your answers about ur personal use of the system.
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No problem....thank you:)

But, you know, why aren't we asking John Patrick to pay back all his book royalties? Just because he rips everybody off $3.50 at a time?

Who's the bigger crook?
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Sorry, I never heard of John Patrick :confused:
 
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sabre

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Liquid Chips said:
Just to keep the record straight, I gave Cipher the $20K in early March 2006. Cipher wasn't an issue here at that time.
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No, but there were dozens of threads at Casinomeister and Winneronline which exposed Cipher's fraudulent system. You didn't do much due diligence in researching whether he had any credibility. Or if you did, you chose to believe his nonsensical ramblings over the rational explanations of why his system was useless.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
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sabre said:
No, but there were dozens of threads at Casinomeister and Winneronline which exposed Cipher's fraudulent system. You didn't do much due diligence in researching whether he had any credibility. Or if you did, you chose to believe his nonsensical ramblings over the rational explanations of why his system was useless.
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I beleive that LiquiChips got suckered at a time that CIPHER was respected at the neophyte boards you cite. He was already invested when we first trashed CIPHER here.

LiquiChip, whats the latest on this? zg
 
halcyon1234

halcyon1234

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LANIDAR said:

If Cipher were to give away the system with a huge red bow should anyone use it.....EVER!!!
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Hrmm... I wonder. Does Cipher's system come with an NDA?

If not, how about exercising your right of first sale? Post it, for free, for all to see (and analyze and debunk).

The debunking might not stop people from using it-- but at the very least, they won't have to fork any money over to yuknutz to get it. =)
 
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Kasi

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LANIDAR said:

If Cipher were to give away the system with a huge red bow should anyone use it.....EVER!!!
No problem....thank you:)
Sorry, I never heard of John Patrick :confused:
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From ur earlier posts, being on the phone with him while ur playing, etc, I was wondering if there is actually an exact set of rules specified in his system?

I guess I'm guessing it's all somewhat "fluid". Kind of like Capt Kirk making up those rules in a card game. "On Tuesdays....."

I have no problem with anyone using Cypher's "system" if it were given away for free. Have no clue what the "system" is but maybe it's designed to win 10 units alot of the time or whatever. If I could sell u a system that would win 10 units 98.7% of the time with a 1000 unit bankroll, would u buy it?

If u don't know John Patrick, good for u - just another snake oil salesman advocating incorrect BS and a way to "win" a high percentage of the time.
 
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ScottH

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Kasi said:
I have no problem with anyone using Cypher's "system" if it were given away for free. Have no clue what the "system" is but maybe it's designed to win 10 units alot of the time or whatever. If I could sell u a system that would win 10 units 98.7% of the time with a 1000 unit bankroll, would u buy it?
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That depends on what happens the other 1.3% of the time.

If you win 10 dollars 98.7% of the time, and lose 1000 the other 1.3%, hell yeah, I'm buying this ASAP!
 
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sabre

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zengrifter said:
I beleive that LiquiChips got suckered at a time that CIPHER was respected at the neophyte boards you cite. He was already invested when we first trashed CIPHER here.

LiquiChip, whats the latest on this? zg
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Many threads dating back to 2004 cleanly debunked all of Cipher's outrageous claims. Liquid Chips chose to ignore these threads. It is simply inaccurate for him to claim that Cipher was a respected member of the online gambling community prior to last year.

I'm surprised that its taken so long to purse a civil action again Cipher.
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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sabre said:
I'm surprised that its taken so long to purse a civil action again Cipher.
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Good luck with that one. I'm sure a judge is sitting there thinking, "today I can't wait to end some fraud...there's insurance fraud, painters that never come back to finish the work, scum preying on the elderly, and this--a guy looking for 'investors' in a scheme to crack the code of internet blackjack!"

Sometimes you've just gotta take a step back and look at what the hell you are doing. There's no such thing as a free lunch. But hey, there's plenty more get rich quick schemes if you stay up late and watch TV!
 
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shadroch

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ScottH said:
That depends on what happens the other 1.3% of the time.

If you win 10 dollars 98.7% of the time, and lose 1000 the other 1.3%, hell yeah, I'm buying this ASAP!
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Send me $500 and start playing Oscars Grind.Using your metrics,win ten units or lose 1,000 units,it is good well over 98.7%
 
Sonny

Sonny

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ScottH said:
If you win 10 dollars 98.7% of the time, and lose 1000 the other 1.3%, hell yeah, I'm buying this ASAP!
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I don't get it. That sounds like -EV to me:

$10*0.987 - $1000*0.013
$9.87 - $13 = -$3.13
EV = -3.13% :confused:

That’s worse than baccarat, casino war, and several craps bets.

-Sonny-
 
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