wonging is good for people who dont want to vary their bets very much, if at all.. technically if you only played when the count was high, you would make money with a flat bet.. i just started counting, and because i only have $1000 bankroll, and i play $10 blackjack, i cant vary my bets, so i just wong.. i actually just play only when the RUNNING count is positive, which i know doesnt mean im making money, but at least the .45% house edge will be lower, and thats what gambling is about, minimizing your losses (its harder than you think to make money by counting cards; yes it looks good on paper but it takes a big bankroll and other such things, as u wud need like a 5% player edge for winning to be "guaranteed")
Dumbest thing I've heard said at the table
- Thread starter Preston
- Start date
sagefr0g said:
you pretty much answered your own question. when you wong in you may want to size your bet so that it is optimal with respect to your overall bankroll and the advantage that presents.
the reason that wonging in and wonging out is advantageous is that you avoid disadvantgeous counts (those are the times that you normally lose more wagers than you win) and additionally you play more often when the count is advantageous (those are the times that you normally win more wagers than you lose).
i'd just go with the illustrious 18. that gives you near 80% of the advantage you'd realize from all of the departures.
best regards,
mr fr0g
the reason that wonging in and wonging out is advantageous is that you avoid disadvantgeous counts (those are the times that you normally lose more wagers than you win) and additionally you play more often when the count is advantageous (those are the times that you normally win more wagers than you lose).
i'd just go with the illustrious 18. that gives you near 80% of the advantage you'd realize from all of the departures.
best regards,
mr fr0g
Sonny said:
No way, that guy will help you much more than he hurts you. After all, it's guys like that that keep guys like us in business.
-Sonny-
-Sonny-
Don't u consider that statement a little ironic coming from someone who says "i just started counting, and because i only have $1000 bankroll, and i play $10 blackjack, i cant vary my bets, so i just wong i actually just play only when the RUNNING count is positive, which i know doesnt mean im making money, but at least the .45% house edge will be lower, and thats what gambling is about, minimizing your losses"?
It just sort of sounds like, despite ur statistical and probability knowledge, that u knowingly flat-bet a game that you state will not make u money and in all probability will eventually cause u to lose ur entire 100 unit bankroll.
It just sort of sounds like, despite ur statistical and probability knowledge, that u knowingly flat-bet a game that you state will not make u money and in all probability will eventually cause u to lose ur entire 100 unit bankroll.
Originally Posted by sagefr0g
i get easily confused on statistical matters and probability
lol a'int that the truth.
but really there is a lot you can accomplish with just rote memory with respect to basic strategy and indices and an understanding of when you have the advantage and to what degree you have an advantage.
i get easily confused on statistical matters and probability
lol a'int that the truth.
but really there is a lot you can accomplish with just rote memory with respect to basic strategy and indices and an understanding of when you have the advantage and to what degree you have an advantage.
Hey - I was defending u lol.
And, actually, more broadly speaking, I really don't think a knowledge of statistics and probability is a necessary pre-requisite to successful card-counting.
Certainly, I have formal knowledge of neither, never having taken a statistics course. Maybe I had a probability course in 10th grade. I think I didn't do very well lol. 2 out of 3 chance anyway lol. Assuming I actually took one lmao.
On the other hand, I'm not a successful card-counter either :grin:
And, actually, more broadly speaking, I really don't think a knowledge of statistics and probability is a necessary pre-requisite to successful card-counting.
Certainly, I have formal knowledge of neither, never having taken a statistics course. Maybe I had a probability course in 10th grade. I think I didn't do very well lol. 2 out of 3 chance anyway lol. Assuming I actually took one lmao.
On the other hand, I'm not a successful card-counter either :grin:
As my father used to say
John Day died defending his right of way.
Though he was as right as the day is long,
he's just as dead as if he were wrong.
So now I say
though I'm as right as the day is long
I'm just as poor as if I were wrong.
Since no one will actually live long enough to enjoy that extra dollar making the "right" play will generate.
So, to get all bent out of shape over "right" and "wrong" is sometimes just wrong lol.
John Day died defending his right of way.
Though he was as right as the day is long,
he's just as dead as if he were wrong.
So now I say
though I'm as right as the day is long
I'm just as poor as if I were wrong.
Since no one will actually live long enough to enjoy that extra dollar making the "right" play will generate.
So, to get all bent out of shape over "right" and "wrong" is sometimes just wrong lol.
heh heh i know.... i just think silent has a point regarding how it would be helpful to understand statistics and probability but more so he has a point about the dangers of even playing blackjack wether or not one is dumb or dumber :joker:
same here, thats actually what i was trying to say also.
me neither, i dropped out of high school in the 10th grade. but i did once sleep in a motel 6 and finally go on to college but when it comes to advantage play how i feel is that i've got a disjointed, half understanding such that my conclusions and judgements regarding the craft may often lead me astray. which come to think of it is a lot like what the snippet of intelligence one gleans from card counting gives you at the tables. lol
i'm not really sure i am either. i do know i've had a lot of luck mixed in with trying to apply the AP craft.
same here, thats actually what i was trying to say also.
me neither, i dropped out of high school in the 10th grade. but i did once sleep in a motel 6 and finally go on to college
but when it comes to advantage play how i feel is that i've got a disjointed, half understanding such that my conclusions and judgements regarding the craft may often lead me astray. which come to think of it is a lot like what the snippet of intelligence one gleans from card counting gives you at the tables. loli'm not really sure i am either. i do know i've had a lot of luck mixed in with trying to apply the AP craft.
Last edited:
no, u hit a 16 vs a 10.. i dont know wut game u are playing, but im playing 8 decks, with the AC common rules S17.. u always hit a 16 vs a 10, it dont matter how u got to 16, so i have no idea what your talking about.. go to the basic strategy engine on this site and look it up for yourself (shudnt have to change any of the rules)
He's talking about composition dependent basic strategy. The correct strategy for certain hands might change based on the cards in the hand. Hands like 16 vs. 10 and 12 vs. 4 are very close calls. For that reason it is usually more correct to stand on a 16 vs. 10 if it is made up of three or more cards.
http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/a...not-the-best-thing-with-16-against-a-10-27377
http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/a...sic-strategy-game-beyond-basic-strategy-12160
-Sonny-
http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/a...not-the-best-thing-with-16-against-a-10-27377
http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/a...sic-strategy-game-beyond-basic-strategy-12160
-Sonny-
Last edited: