Hilton's 2 deckers

[Tarzan]

Trop Slop

Those 4 deckers at Trop were ALWAYS busy. They could have added MORE 4 deck games... instead they closed them down for whatever reason. Why have a busy 4 deck blackjack game when you can have another empty caribbean stud table sitting there ANYWAY? It will be interesting to see how this goes and what happens.

 

[Thunder]

I'm guessing it would be prudent to switch from Hi-Lo to Hi Opt II for this game? Or do you think I can adapt Hi-Lo to this.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Hi-OptII would and improvement over Hi-Lo since your PE needs to be a lot better in pitch games. Personally, I find the ease of switching back and forth between Hi-OptI and Hi-Lo to be more convenient since I normally play shoe games. Switching to Hi-OptI with an Ace sidecount is a breeze, but Hi-OptII requires some reprogramming.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I'm guessing it would be prudent to switch from Hi-Lo to Hi Opt II for this game? Or do you think I can adapt Hi-Lo to this.

High-Low is perfectly fine for DD games. Unless you like to use different counts for everything (I do, but only because I play sidebets and BJ derivatives) it might not pay to learn a new count just to play a couple of tables at the AC Hilton.

 

[FLASH1296]

S17 (2 tables) & H17 (1 table) DA2 DAS 50% pen'

Please remember, (that in A.C.) the Casino Control Commission
requires permission for even the slightest of procedural changes.

A casino cannot simply change the rules to any that are not already permitted.

 

[FLASH1296]

Thunder

If I were you I'd add side counts of Aces and Sevens to Hi-Lo and kick butt.

With the risk of sounding overly cynical, don't invest too much energy
in this.

Most of us expect that the game will be burned out in a month or so.

 

[21forme]

What's the purpose of no hole card in this game?

 

[FLASH1296]

There will be a hole card, according to my source.

 

[Thunder]

Thunder

If I were you I'd add side counts of Aces and Sevens to Hi-Lo and kick butt.

With the risk of sounding overly cynical, don't invest too much energy
in this.

Most of us expect that the game will be burned out in a month or so.

Thanks Flash. I agree that it will probably be gone in no time but for the short time it is around, I believe it may well be the best game any of us will see on the east coast possibly forever. We'll all probably be lucky to even get a seat.

 

[pieinthesky]

Ac dd

To add to the speculation, I agree with Moo321, based on the only northeast DD game I'm aware of at present (Turning Stone): $100 min., S17, DOA, NDAS, 50% pen. When TS offered the same game at lower limits a while back, it didn't last long. I'm eager for early reports from AC, but not overly optimistic. Happy new year to all.

 

[chichow]

Is it really going to be playable?

@ least on NYE?

Personally, I really prefer to play DD with one or two other players.

I feel that with full tables, I can't spread or get the cards that I would want.
If with at least one other player, I can have the other player chew up some cards too. Don't get me wrong, heads up is great too...but I think limits the session more.

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My guess is that NYE is going to be crazy crowded so the game is going to be unplayable.

 

[aslan]

Rumor has it, like most "counter catchers" he can't actually count, he's just looking for a profile and bet variation.

I don't know whether most counter catchers cannot count, but hi-lo counting it is a requirement for some surveillance personnel at MGM properties. MGM's goal appears to be having a counter on every shift. How well they meet that goal, I can't say.

 

[kewljason]

I also believe that this game may be short lived. It has a better chance if more casino's offer the game than if it is just the hilton. But even if this game doesn't survive, it indicates that the thought process in AC may be changing. With Delaware table games just a couple months away now and Pa coming sometime in 2010 (if they ever get thier act together) it shows me that for the first time ever, AC may just be realizing that they are going to have to compete for the patrons in the 100 mile radius that they have taken for granted for so long. They are going to have to offer better games, table and other, and better comps.

 

[aslan]

They are going to have to offer better games, table and other, and better comps.

Assuming they act rationally. The same type of reasoning should apply to offering 3:2 single deck and S17 double deck in Vegas. But the occurrence of these games is few and far between.

 

[21forme]

Personally, I really prefer to play DD with one or two other players.

I feel that with full tables, I can't spread or get the cards that I would want.

Very good point. I forget who, but someone has coined a "rule of 11" for DD games, retlaing pen at # of players. At a full table you need 80% pen to make a DD game profitable. Otherwise, you're only going to see 1 or 2 rounds before the shuffle.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Thanks Flash. I agree that it will probably be gone in no time but for the short time it is around, I believe it may well be the best game any of us will see on the east coast possibly forever. We'll all probably be lucky to even get a seat.

It may not be. A DD game has to be really good to be better than a shoe game with decent pen where you can come and go as you please.

 

[BillytheBJkid]

why would 2 decks be better than 8? why would it matter as long as the count is high?

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Short answer: fewer decks means a more accurate idea of your advantage/disadvantage throughout a pack based on the count. Advantageous situations occur more frequently, which increases the amount won in a shorter period of time. And it's more fun.

 

[Abenzio]

Holecards

What's the purpose of no hole card in this game?

Simple: no hole cards, no holecardings. Hilton does not want APs' businesses, especially NOT from my superheroes: James Grosjean and other magical holdcarders. :grin:

 

[Thunder]

It may not be. A DD game has to be really good to be better than a shoe game with decent pen where you can come and go as you please.

I'll take a DD game with only 50% penetration over a 6 deck game with 80% penetration. You're going to still see more + counts than you would with the 6 deck game in a given hour. If they have NMSE which is virtually guaranteed, you can just sit out a hand or two.