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Beldin

Active Member
#1
I've had my own run with the casinos out here - but strangely enough no barrings or backoffs that you refer (you'll probably figure out why later on). I do have some friends that come with when I play but oddly enough - none of them want to practice any form of card counting. Its frustrating to search for just a partner in such a simple experiment and to be stymied by something that plagues us all - greed, loss of concentration, loss of respect for money and other things already mentioned.

To give you a run down on my history - I'm not really counting cards through the entire time I'm playing - I find I'm losing concentration after about 4 hands in. Though I am only playing double deck and the opportunity seems to knock the most at the beginning of the deck (strange?)

I've played most of my time at a smaller casino with smaller bet limits, 4 decks and 6 decks, and ended up losing about 19k. I switched to a larger casino with larger limits and played almost exclusively the double deck. I am now up 101k in 2 months and after reviewing my wins/losses log wonder if i don't need a long vacation from playing. My initial streak started around 12 winning streaks with wins ranging from 3k-15k. the next 9 sessions after I've had wins as high as 30k and losses as high as 42k. This would seem to suggest I need to re-look at how I'm playing and assess how I am approaching the money that I so earnestly hunted for. Really this is me reaching out to a community online because of the stigma associated with blackjack players out in the regular world. I'm guessing I really just needed to type out these thoughts to better grasps the inner workings of my own turmoil.

As a side note - pit bosses were trying to encourage me to play only $500 after I had hit my goal of 100k which I knew was just a bait, but the urge to play was still there. In the end I was still able to walk out without playing more- but sometimes I have to wonder if the next time I won't.
 
#2
Welcome Beldin. Based on the limited info you provided your winning streak is on borrowed time.

When you do count those first four hands, what system are you using? Be as descrptive as possible. zg
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
#3
Wowzers. You've won $100k? I mean, not a lot of people on here have done that.

As far as recommendations, are you sure you know basic strategy and index plays? What type of spread are you using? And what percentage of your bankroll are you betting at different counts?
 

HockeXpert

Well-Known Member
#4
Beldin said:
after reviewing my wins/losses log wonder if i don't need a long vacation from playing.
You need a vacation just long enough to learn how to count and then sock it to them. If you continue to play in this manner, you will be out $100K+ before you know it.

Stick around here and learn from some of the brightest minds and talented individuals there are.
 

Beldin

Active Member
#5
zengrifter said:
Welcome Beldin. Based on the limited info you provided your winning streak is on borrowed time.

When you do count those first four hands, what system are you using? Be as descrptive as possible. zg
Using just the true count - basically thinking of it as 1 deck being left to play since they cut a deck
 

Beldin

Active Member
#7
moo321 said:
Wowzers. You've won $100k? I mean, not a lot of people on here have done that.

As far as recommendations, are you sure you know basic strategy and index plays? What type of spread are you using? And what percentage of your bankroll are you betting at different counts?
Basic strat yes - index plays - no clue (what are you referencing?).

Spread bets of from $50 to start up to $1,000 and occasionally $2,000

Any true count higher than 5 i'm betting 3 hands $1,000. Though its been really hard for me to stay on my hands lower than 17 against a dealer face during this time as this would definitely red flag me from upstairs while they are counting me down.

My bankroll management is the biggest concern for me - honestly i only started off with a few hundred dollars. On the initial wins I left after a 5-6k wins. But lately the risk I've applied to the bankroll seems excessive as the massive swing losses indicate
 

Beldin

Active Member
#8
Sharky said:
Beldin,

April Fool's is in, well, April, this is December - Merry Christmas!
well..if i was jerking you around - I suppose I could give you my phone #, social, contacts, location and then you could verify it right? Or should I just refer to your own "location" reference?

*Edit* - and in some cases - its really hard to tell sarcasm from humor to just best wishes on forums - so my apologies in advance if you only meant well.
 
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21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#9
Beldin said:
Basic strat yes - index plays - no clue (what are you referencing?).

Spread bets of from $50 to start up to $1,000 and occasionally $2,000

Any true count higher than 5 i'm betting 3 hands $1,000. Though its been really hard for me to stay on my hands lower than 17 against a dealer face during this time as this would definitely red flag me from upstairs while they are counting me down.

My bankroll management is the biggest concern for me - honestly i only started off with a few hundred dollars. On the initial wins I left after a 5-6k wins. But lately the risk I've applied to the bankroll seems excessive as the massive swing losses indicate
Sounds like a PC trolling for info.
 

Baberuth

Well-Known Member
#12
Please explain

You might be just lucky since you are ONLY up 5 to 10X your maximum bet. The reason you are taking on disbelief is:
1. Your lack of concentration after 4 hands, but you know when you have a true count of higher than +5 and bet 3 hands of 1000.
2. Not getting backed off with a spread of 50 to 1K or 2K or 3 hands of 1K with that plus count of 5 or more.
3. Surveillance has to count you down and review your play and bet spread. No tap?
4. No clue to index plays???? Wow!
5. Winning 32K with your bet spreads and no back off. Guys get tapped for breaking even with that spread with the count.
6. Why would a CC with even minimum experience think that such a post has any logic?

You don’t need to give your social, phone number etc. If you could clear up 1-6 above, we might all learn something. It sure would be interesting.
I never want to be mean spirited on this site to anyone, so should your story be a joke, I still have no ill will toward you. I hope I was polite in my review.
Babe
 

Beldin

Active Member
#14
Baberuth said:
You might be just lucky since you are ONLY up 5 to 10X your maximum bet. The reason you are taking on disbelief is:
1. Your lack of concentration after 4 hands, but you know when you have a true count of higher than +5 and bet 3 hands of 1000.
2. Not getting backed off with a spread of 50 to 1K or 2K or 3 hands of 1K with that plus count of 5 or more.
3. Surveillance has to count you down and review your play and bet spread. No tap?
4. No clue to index plays???? Wow!
5. Winning 32K with your bet spreads and no back off. Guys get tapped for breaking even with that spread with the count.
6. Why would a CC with even minimum experience think that such a post has any logic?

You don’t need to give your social, phone number etc. If you could clear up 1-6 above, we might all learn something. It sure would be interesting.
I never want to be mean spirited on this site to anyone, so should your story be a joke, I still have no ill will toward you. I hope I was polite in my review.
Babe
K - first off - I'm not used to your guy's lingo. Theres are a bunch of items you guys have mentioned I've never heard of (like being backed off?, wtf is index play, at least explain it - I may actually know wtf you guys are talking about, - this is my first forum I've ever searched. 2nd - I have at least read a simple book - hence why I know about betting higher on +5 count or better - Blackjack Strategy by Michael Benson. Costs 8.95. Thats been really the only reference I've had through this all.

1. I've addressed above. That's at least what I've taken away from the book.

2. Please explain the back off you guys are referencing. If you're talking about having 4 pit bosses staring me down during the times I'm playing? Are you talking about pit bosses coming back every time I come in and saying hi and shaking my hand? Are you talking about every time I ask for limits to get raised - they make phone calls?

3. WTF is a TAP?!

4. For the love of Pete - just tell me wtf index play is.......

5. WTF is a TAP?

6. **Edit**This is for all the people calling "troll" - Look at my post. Honestly stop being paranoid...Am I asking for anyone's personal information? Am I asking for someone to meet with me? Am I claiming to have found a new system that is better then what currently exists just because I've won...Am *I in any way berating anyone's opinion as a troll/insulting/stupid....You've all been in my place at some time after a big win...mostly I was "blogging" if nothing else to you. Who knows...maybe someone actually could relate to me and share their thoughts. At least a couple people responded with some useful responses. But like the other guy that I posted in his thread - I guess its making more sense what he was talking about the suspicion/jealousy surrounding making a lot of money. Like tonight - almost lost 30k tonight - but managed to hit 1 shoe where I won every hand, 2k on 3 hands that brought me to 5k up for the night. But to make matters worse - I had a friend show up - and I had to chase his god damn loss all the way to me losing my 5k profit, dumping him and his family off at the only open restaurant, and finally just playing by myself and getting it back and another 4k.

Here's the sitation/anonamly that I just dont understand. Is it really possible for someone to start with 300 dollars, hit over 110k now after 22 sessions with several sessions going over 7-8 hours and somehow only minimally count. Wouldn't by sheer statistics shown that I should've lost it all back by the 2nd session?

Now to maybe explain what I do change in my play based on what I see, I'll play my 3 hands 1k each, (and if I win especially) - I'll back off and min bet 50. I'll follow streaks all the way down to 2 straight losses (so basically if 1 hand is winning - max bet it until I lose 2 times). Thats all I can honestly say I consciously do besides the forementioned counting I try to do in the beginning. Are people just trying to tell me that somehow I'm beatting 1 to 1 billion odds? From all the trolling comments I'm getting - I'm assuming this is basically what you guys are getting at.

You realize I'm up more than 100 times usual max bet. 2k bets are a rarity for the most part. I don't get how you think its only 5 times the max bet?

**I heard this story about a couple that came in and was up 200k over a couple nights - but within another couple of nights - they had lost it all back. I'm asking for you to look at my 22 sessions played and compare it to their 4 day session. What are the similarities? What are the differences - do these differences indicate that somehow whatever I am doing - is it sustainable? Look at the %'s and tell me what you think.

*edited for grammar
 
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blackjacktilt

Well-Known Member
#16
Beldin said:
I switched to a larger casino with larger limits and played almost exclusively the double deck. I am now up 101k in 2 months. Really this is me reaching out to a community online because of the stigma associated with blackjack players out in the regular world.
As a side note - pit bosses were trying to encourage me to play only $500 after I had hit my goal of 100k which I knew was just a bait, but the urge to play was still there. In the end I was still able to walk out without playing more- but sometimes I have to wonder if the next time I won't.
You're fishing, if you've had losses like you stated a P/B would never ask you to lower your betting. They won't do that anyway, it's unethical. You should have thought this out better my friend. You are just lucky and will lose long term. I'm not being mean, just giving a reality check if what you say is true, but I doubt it.
 

kewljason

Well-Known Member
#17
Beldin said:
Here's the sitation/anonamly that I just dont understand. Is it really possible for someone to start with 300 dollars, hit over 110k now after 22 sessions with several sessions going over 7-8 hours and somehow only minimally count.
I don't like to use words like possible or impossible. :eek: Is it possible for a human being to run a mile in 2 minutes? Hasn't been done that we know of, but does that mean it is impossible? What about travel to the moon? In the 19th century surely that would have been thought as impossible. So I am not one to say what is possible and/or impossible. With that in mind, the answer to your question is NO, not possible. :laugh:
 

Baberuth

Well-Known Member
#18
Thank you Beldin

I knew it would be interesting. Credit to you that you replied to 1-6, so I will tell you about a tap.
TAP- When surveillance reviews your play (usually initiated by the pit boss) and sees you are raising your bets with a positive count and are a threat to the casino. Threat meaning you will win more often than you lose and can keep it going. The "tap" comes from a couple guys in suits coming to the table and tapping you on the shoulder. " Mr. Beldin. Would you step away from the table for a minute please? You are no longer allowed to play blackjack at this casino. You may play any of the other games, but not blackjack. If you play blackjack here again, you will not be allowed in the casino again. Do you understand?"
That is a tap or back off.
 

Beldin

Active Member
#19
blackjacktilt said:
You're fishing, if you've had losses like you stated a P/B would never ask you to lower your betting. They won't do that anyway, it's unethical. You should have thought this out better my friend. You are just lucky and will lose long term. I'm not being mean, just giving a reality check if what you say is true, but I doubt it.
what is a P/B?

I guess thanks for assessment...
 

Beldin

Active Member
#20
Baberuth said:
I knew it would be interesting. Credit to you that you replied to 1-6, so I will tell you about a tap.
TAP- When surveillance reviews your play (usually initiated by the pit boss) and sees you are raising your bets with a positive count and are a threat to the casino. Threat meaning you will win more often than you lose and can keep it going. The "tap" comes from a couple guys in suits coming to the table and tapping you on the shoulder. " Mr. Beldin. Would you step away from the table for a minute please? You are no longer allowed to play blackjack at this casino. You may play any of the other games, but not blackjack. If you play blackjack here again, you will not be allowed in the casino again. Do you understand?"
That is a tap or back off.
Yep - and the reason for no tap off would probably be because of the off bets that I also will make towards the end of the shoe based on my whim. Makes more sense why I haven't ultimately been tapped then - my swings along with bets be off count.
 
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