Real Pros?

[Craps Master]

I think I heard this speech in 1932.

You can keep hearing it. Will it ever sink in? Probably not.

PS. Craps Master is not Stalker. She just gave herself away in this latest rant.

PPS. Both Craps Master and Stalker are staked by a cardcounter catcher.

You've got my gender wrong, for starters. Secondly, I don't think there's a cardcounter catcher on the planet, former or current, with a big enough roll to stake me. Those guys don't get paid ****. But, this is interesting, QFIT. You have been completely dismantled by the force of logic, and so what is your response? Baseless speculation and pure ad hominem. I make direct statements about you, such as how you don't play blackjack for a living, and how your casino experience is limited. These are not judgments, just facts. When I state my opinion, it is about real, tangible things, like your software, and how I don't think it is a worthwhile expenditure for a professional. How do you respond? Paranoia, it seems. You accuse me of being some woman I'm not, and you accuse me of being staked by a counter catcher. Absurd.

Why don't you come back with something legitimate instead of erroneous accusations and appeals to social proof? Why not make a statement about the merit of my ideas? I gave you the perfect window to make exaggerated and lofty claims about the efficacy of your software, or to wow us all with (fabricated) stories of your extensive casino experience, but instead you resort to fallacious argument so vapid that, in the words of the eminent Wolfgang Pauli, it's not even wrong.

 

[Craps Master]

Furthermore, there is no way to tell whether a person with such an attitude is really an expert trying to help you, or just a BS artist trying to blow smoke up your butt.

BS artists are often called grifters. Though, in the case of some, the term "artist" is a little generous.

I can't come up with any scenario where a legitimate expert with honorable intent would go to someone else's website (when they already have one of their own) and spew forth arrogance, hostility and vulgarity especially after they had been asked by the site's owner not to.

Limited imagination. It can really box you in and doom you to mediocrity. I suggest striving for a more panoramic perspective in your worldview.

Therefore logic compels me to conclude that they are either not legitimate experts or not honorable, and regardless of which one it is they cannot be believed or trusted. I don't enjoy saying things like that about anyone, so if you can see any way around that conclusion I'd love to hear it so I can take it back.

Here's an idea for you: you stick to reaching narrow-minded conclusions and making subjective value judgments about another person's method of self-presentation and disclosure, and I'll stick to giving out great advice to newbies and getting the money.

 

[zengrifter]

CrapsMaster seems like a kinder-gentler Stalker. I hope we're not dealing with multiple-personality-disorder here. zg

 

[Craps Master]

CrapsMaster seems like a kinder-gentler Stalker. I hope we're not dealing with multiple-personality-disorder here. zg

Such penetrating analysis. Such deep insight. It's as though you once read the Wikipedia article on psychology, and even now you're sharing all that you've learned. Hey, I have an idea, maybe next you can tap into those formiddable powers of intellect of yours to teach the newbies here how to scam a prize without actually buying a box of Cracker Jacks. I know you know how!

 

[Automatic Monkey]

BS artists are often called grifters. Though, in the case of some, the term "artist" is a little generous.


Limited imagination. It can really box you in and doom you to mediocrity. I suggest striving for a more panoramic perspective in your worldview.


Here's an idea for you: you stick to reaching narrow-minded conclusions and making subjective value judgments about another person's method of self-presentation and disclosure, and I'll stick to giving out great advice to newbies and getting the money.

I'm sorry, but there is no other method available to make a judgment about what you have to say than your self-presentation. If you walk around in dirty and ripped clothes, most people are going to treat you like a bum. If you write like a manic queen on a tweak, most people aren't going to take you seriously. Just imagine if this were a health site, and a couple of posters claiming to be doctors were posting the way you and your colleague are and dispensing health advice. Would you be inclined to take that advice? I would not, and I wouldn't care how many also-anonymous other posters told me they really were doctors.

You are right that I am narrow-minded about certain things, namely the rude, the cruel, and the arrogant. These are major character flaws, and there is no substitute for good character. At this point I would not allow you to watch my child, borrow my car or stay in my home. You can say what you want about the Grifter, but I would trust you and your cronies with a part of my bankroll less than I would him, and all because of the attitude you present. I would not expect you to treat me as a person with the same rights as you.

Please don't take this as an insult, for this image you present may all be a big put-on and not the real you. But I thought it would be fair to explain to you why I and some others have no interest in anything you have to say.

 

[zengrifter]

Such penetrating analysis. Such deep insight. It's as though you once read the Wikipedia article on psychology, and even now you're sharing all that you've learned. Hey, I have an idea, maybe next you can tap into those formiddable powers of intellect of yours to teach the newbies here how to scam a prize without actually buying a box of Cracker Jacks. I know you know how!

I would have thought that Wiki was off your RADAR, ma'am.
Well, I didn't just read Wikipedia, I'm in it. zg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

 

[Craps Master]

I'm sorry, but there is no other method available to make a judgment about what you have to say than your self-presentation. If you walk around in dirty and ripped clothes, most people are going to treat you like a bum. If you write like a manic queen on a tweak, most people aren't going to take you seriously. Just imagine if this were a health site, and a couple of posters claiming to be doctors were posting the way you and your colleague are and dispensing health advice. Would you be inclined to take that advice? I would not, and I wouldn't care how many also-anonymous other posters told me they really were doctors.

Right now I'm trying to imagine a world in which you can come up with a half-way decent analogy. The method by which you make a judgment regarding the credibility of a poster's input at a web forum is the analysis of the facts and opinions presented by the poster. You seem caught up on trappings and image. But, that comes as no surprise from someone for whom innovation and big-picture thinking are apparently so alien.

You are right that I am narrow-minded about certain things, namely the rude, the cruel, and the arrogant. These are major character flaws, and there is no substitute for good character. At this point I would not allow you to watch my child, borrow my car or stay in my home. You can say what you want about the Grifter, but I would trust you and your cronies with a part of my bankroll less than I would him, and all because of the attitude you present. I would not expect you to treat me as a person with the same rights as you.

Well, it's good to see you admit your narrow-mindedness, though I think you could be a little more broad-minded in your belief about the scope to which it applies, because I think it extends far beyond the limited application you've given it. If you trust a guy who calls himself Grifter, so be it. I actually go to casinos, so I see plenty of stupid **** from people everyday; this is not so unbelievable.

Please don't take this as an insult, for this image you present may all be a big put-on and not the real you. But I thought it would be fair to explain to you why I and some others have no interest in anything you have to say.

I'm sort of insulted that you think you're even in a league sufficient to engage in discourse with me, let alone offer me criticism. That is more than a little presumptuous on your part, but that's fine. I've stooped to chatting with the plebs at an internet site, and, while I can assure you I'm a far more accomplished advantage player than you, this is the price I pay for being magnanimous, and I've come to expect it. Envy sews the seeds for a chilly reception. What you say, however, is of no consequence because I'm quite certain I operate on a level beyond your ability to comprehend and, as such, beyond your ability to criticize. You may see it as arrogance, but I just see it as the way of the world. We're not equal, you and I. People are different.

 

[Craps Master]

I would have thought that Wiki was off your RADAR, ma'am.
Well, I didn't just read Wikipedia, I'm in it. zg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

Anyone with but a single iota of reading comprehension would be able to discern the difference between my writing and Radar's. Guess again. She certainly lacks the insufferable yet justifiable arrogance I readily and proudly display for all the wannabes and newbies to rally against. Those willing to look past the veneer to the undeniable truths beneath the words shall surely be rewarded, while those caught up in their own paranoia, small-mindedness, and fragile egos, who remain perpetually entranced at the sight of the colorful and prismatically illuminated surface of all things shall never see beyond the shadow of their own ignorance. And as for you? Please keep chasing your vapor trails in the sky; I'm sure we're all quite impressed.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Anyone with but a single iota of reading comprehension would be able to discern the difference between my writing and Radar's. Guess again. She certainly lacks the insufferable yet justifiable arrogance I readily and proudly display for all the wannabes and newbies to rally against. Those willing to look past the veneer to the undeniable truths beneath the words shall surely be rewarded, while those caught up in their own paranoia, small-mindedness, and fragile egos, who remain perpetually entranced at the sight of the colorful and prismatically illuminated surface of all things shall never see beyond the shadow of their own ignorance. And as for you? Please keep chasing your vapor trails in the sky; I'm sure we're all quite impressed.

OK, NOW I get it!!! :laugh: Remember- "Finish all of this medication unless instructed otherwise by your doctor." :joker:

(By the way, sentence structure and length, and use of commas are very hard to camouflage. I had my first internet flame war at 300 baud, after loading my terminal program from a cassette player.)

 

[Craps Master]

By the way, sentence structure and length, and use of commas are very hard to camouflage.

Yeah, and if I were trying to mask my writing style, I'd definitely keep that in mind. But, I'm not. That's part of why I said it should be obvious that I'm not the same person as LVHCM1 and why it should be obvious that I'm not Radar, as Grifter thinks I am, because I'm not even trying to employ deception. I'm just here, being myself, putting some excellent information and facts out there for people to consider.

 

[Sonny]

I wouldn't say that you ever totally stop learning things from books and the net, because there are always new books and people saying new things on the net.

Maybe I’m just getting burned out. Maybe I’ve just got a case of Bojack-itis. I just feel like I’ve heard all the questions and answers a million times before. I’ve been stuck in a rut for years now and these websites have taken me as far as they can. The rest is up to me.

A lot of the people on this site do not have your level of experience…

That’s not what this is about. I’m not going on some ego trip here and I’m not trying to brag about my skills or make anybody feel bad about theirs. I’ve never claimed to be smarter or better than anyone else on this website. In fact, I know that several people here are smarter and/or stronger players than me. This is about hitting the limit of what can be learned from public sources. As you said, these websites are a fantastic source of information for beginning players, but they can only go so far. I feel like I’ve “maxed out” for the time being.

A person who comes around saying "Ha ha, you're no good, you're no good, you're not as smart as me, you don't use unpublished professional techniques" is of no value to a community…

I completely agree with you.

…unless they are planning on revealing those unpublished professional techniques here

You’ve got to read a little deeper. LVHCM has told us his exact identity (Name, previous occupations, playing style, etc.) and Craps Master has told us exactly how to get a huge advantage at 6:5 BJ (much better than hole carding!). Like with any AP techniques, sometimes you have to do a little homework on your own before the answers come to you.

I can't come up with any scenario where a legitimate expert with honorable intent would go to someone else's website (when they already have one of their own) and spew forth arrogance, hostility and vulgarity especially after they had been asked by the site's owner not to.

A Dutch uncle is better than no uncle at all.

I don't enjoy saying things like that about anyone, so if you can see any way around that conclusion I'd love to hear it so I can take it back.

I’ll just leave it at that. You are welcome to your own conclusion and I won’t try to change it. Your opinion is based on solid logic and rational conclusions so I cannot argue with it. I can only say that I respectfully disagree.

-Sonny-

 

[sagefr0g]

.......
You’ve got to read a little deeper. LVHCM has told us his exact identity (Name, previous occupations, playing style, etc.) and Craps Master has told us exactly how to get a huge advantage at 6:5 BJ (much better than hole carding!). Like with any AP techniques, sometimes you have to do a little homework on your own before the answers come to you.
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-Sonny-

hmm i searched and searched was unable to find a post by Craps Master wherein he tells exactly how to get a huge advantage at 6:5 BJ (much better than hole carding!).
so i take it if i continue to search such information posted by Craps Master exist?

 

[ScottH]

Those willing to look past the veneer to the undeniable truths beneath the words shall surely be rewarded

I can't wait...

 

[zengrifter]

hmm i searched and searched was unable to find a post by Craps Master wherein he tells exactly how to get a huge advantage at 6:5 BJ (much better than hole carding!). so i take it if i continue to search such information posted by Craps Master exist?

I'm with you - if you find it first let me know! zg

 

[QFIT]

I make direct statements about you, such as how you don't play blackjack for a living, and how your casino experience is limited. These are not judgments, just facts. When I state my opinion, it is about real, tangible things, like your software, and how I don't think it is a worthwhile expenditure for a professional.

I couldn't care less that you lie about my experience and that of others as I am perfectly happy to have casinos believe I never play. OTOH, the numerous lies that you have posted about CV are designed specifically to harm players. You have made numerous claims on BJFO that CV products do not have features they have had for many years in your attempts to mislead new players. In fact there is more misinformation about software on BJFO on all other BJ sites combined. And responses are censored. That you care so little about the very people you claim to help is sad.

 

[Craps Master]

I couldn't care less that you lie about my experience and that of others as I am perfectly happy to have casinos believe I never play. OTOH, the numerous lies that you have posted about CV are designed specifically to harm players. You have made numerous claims on BJFO that CV products do not have features they have had for many years in your attempts to mislead new players. In fact there is more misinformation about software on BJFO on all other BJ sites combined. And responses are censored. That you care so little about the very people you claim to help is sad.

You want to talk about misinformation, QFIT? Okay, let's talk about misinformation. I don't even post at BJFO. Their forum software sucks, so I can't be bothered. If you're going to try to blame someone for something, at least try to make sure you've got the right guy. You know, do a little fact checking. You see, QFIT, this is exactly the same lack of rigor on your part that characterizes all of your intellectual efforts. It's this inability to search for the truth in a responsible way before you go shooting from the hip that limits your growth as an advantage player, programmer, and human being.

The facts are as follows:

• You are not an advantage player by trade; your casino experience is limited, and you play at low stakes (red chips).
• I think your software is a waste of money, and that a player would be better spending his time and money elsewhere.

You can try to skirt the issue all you want, but those two points are all that I've been saying. You cannot actually defend against the former, because it's just a statement of fact. You can claim it's a lie, but you've not yet begun to offer any evidence to the contrary. You've been known in the community as an armchair player and theoritician (whose merit is, of course, up for debate and criticism) for years, and you've been seen more than once betting red chips in a casino. Do you wish to try to make a case for being a high-stakes player or a professional advantage player? Or would you rather keep making threats about your impending pamphlets?

The second statement is one of my own opinion. If you can't handle the criticism from a real, live, professional player who happens to think your software is a waste of time and money, then maybe you shouldn't go making an endless spree of fallacious arguments and dubious, self-aggrandizing posts all over the internet and thereby constantly putting your head up on the chopping block. You have been repeatedly and decisively owned time and again on every blackjack related internet forum that has ever existed, and yet you keep crawling back for more, with your intellectually irresponsible claims and exaggerations of your own expertise. QFIT, the elite -- the working pros, and the innovators in the advantage play world -- all see through the facade, and don't buy your constant line of BS or your software. And now you're here, once again, forcing the issue and showing your true colors, for all the newbies to see. With luck, they will take from this exchange the idea that trusting your inexplicable sense judgment or your ability to program are not wise ideas.

 

[QFIT]

Your "facts" are simply inventions. I have not played red in a casino in 30 years.

As for my software; Bryce Carlson, MIT Mike, Semyon Dukach, Arnold Snyder, Ken Smith, Donald Schlesinger, Kevin Blackwood, Michael Dalton, Ralph Stricker, Rick Blaine, George C., Anthony Curtis, Ian Andersen say it's the best BJ software.

Craps Master, hiding behind an alias, says it's worthless.

These are facts that can be easily checked.

 

[Craps Master]

Your "facts" are simply inventions. I have not played red in a casino in 30 years.

Check the title of this thread. It's asking about Real Pros. Are you a Real Pro? I think not. Is that an invention of my mind or a fact?

As for my software; Bryce Carlson, MIT Mike, Semyon Dukach, Arnold Snyder, Ken Smith, Donald Schlesinger, Kevin Blackwood, Michael Dalton, Ralph Stricker, Rick Blaine, George C., Anthony Curtis, Ian Andersen say it's the best BJ software.

Craps Master, hiding behind an alias, says it's worthless.

That's right. I say it's worthless. I haven't written a book on blackjack, and my name is not known throughout the industry on account of being published. I play cards for a living, at higher stakes and with a consistently bigger edge than anyone on that list (no less than half of whom are hacks, anyway), and I say your software is worthless. You can line up thirteen more authors, has beens, internet poseurs, and salesmen and tell me they also say your software is great, and I will continue to be unimpressed.

These are facts that can be easily checked.

Fact: I know dozens of professional players, and not a single one of them has used your software to improve his game. You market a fantasy to recreationalists; the reality of professional advantage play is very different. What you do and what you've produced are in no way related to getting the money. If the people who frequent this site come here for professional opinion and perspective, then let it be known to them that I, Craps Master, think, in my professional opinion, that aspiring advantage players are better off (a) not listening to the advice of armchair players like you and (b) not purchasing your software.

By claiming to be an expert and by claiming your software is worthwhile, you open yourself up to criticism. Deal with it.

 

[QFIT]

By claiming to be an expert and by claiming your software is worthwhile, you open yourself up to criticism. Deal with it.

Actually, I have never claimed to be an expert. Well, maybe to an attractive barmaid. But, unlike you, I don't bother making such claims in my posts. You claim I'm a hack. But then you claim Bryce Carlson, MIT Mike, Semyon Dukach, Arnold Snyder, Ken Smith, Donald Schlesinger, Kevin Blackwood, Michael Dalton, Ralph Stricker, Rick Blaine, George C., Anthony Curtis, Ian Andersen are hacks, has beens, internet poseurs, and salesmen. Sorry but I'll stay in that company instead of yours.

 

[sagefr0g]

I think I heard this speech in 1932.

PS. Craps Master is not Stalker. She just gave herself away in this latest rant.

PPS. Both Craps Master and Stalker are staked by a cardcounter catcher.

tell us more QFIT, please.