Tipping?

[Kasi]

What's everyone's feeling about placing another chip down for the dealer on double down or split, when you do it on your own bet? I never do it, but the ploppies do it all the time.

Well, I'm really just a ploppy so I always do it lol. It's never more than a buck anyway lol.

But, more broadly speaking, if one counts tips as reducing EV, how does one treat gas etc? As also reducing EV? Does gas money/plane fare etc come out of EV or one's gambling roll or have no effect on it? If it's gonna cost $30 in gas to a casino and back for a 6 hr session, does one say my EV won't cover it?

 

[EasyRhino]

If it's gonna cost $30 in gas to a casino and back for a 6 hr session, does one say my EV won't cover it?

I'm not at the point where I pay gas/travel directly out of the bankroll, but it's something I take into consideration. Don't forget the time factor. It would also be an hour or two of your life spent on the "commute".

 

[Kasi]

I'm not at the point where I pay gas/travel directly out of the bankroll, but it's something I take into consideration. Don't forget the time factor. It would also be an hour or two of your life spent on the "commute".

Right. I got ya lol.

It was just a general question on how anyone may treat overhead or not to EV or roll when gambling lol.

Like, if your roll is not being reduced by gas/travel, in what ways do you take it into consideration? Or is maybe tipping a waitress somehow different than tipping a dealer etc.

You know how those accountants do all that accruing and deferral stuff, either pretending they've spent money that they haven't or pretending they haven't when they have :grin:

No biggie - just BSing lol.

 

[chichow]

For the local sweatshops, I've started counting gas and tolls for a while.

I keep track of Winnings and Winnings - Expenses such as gas and tolls

 

[Jack_of_Tirades]

What's important to me is my relationship w/ the dealer--ergo frequency. In my town there are 4 casinos w/in 20 minutes of me and a bunch more w/in an hours drive. I'm not going to stiff the dealers that I know and like--after all it's a service industry and if I'm making money I don't mind sharing (somewhat) lol. If the dealer's a prick then fuggetaboutit. If you don't bring a bit of humanity into the game then you're just a bot. Danger Will Robinson...

 

[rollem411]

I feel a little cheap if I don't tip when I'm having a good session. I always try to use tipping to my advantage. After toking the dealer, I'll ask when cutting the shoe to make their cut as little as possible. I know some people are thinking thats an easy way to get caught, but you have to scout the dealers before entering a table and know what you can get away with. If they are friendly and talkative and you throw them a tip, I would suspect that they want you to win because your giving them some of the winnings. They are human too and love money just as much as you. And its not so much the dealers you have to worry about knowing you are counting because as long as they are getting some of the money everyone is happy.

 

[Anonymous2008]

Most counters are cheap skates and not tipping is a sign you are a counter. If you play in the same Casino all the time it is a good idea to tip regularly. This is the way I do it. If I am playing with $100 and win $150 I will give the dealer $5.Every second Blackjack I with fed the $1.50 to the dealer. The other dollar I leave for the coffee girls. All the dealers are working for minimum wage and rely on tips. There are no fast rules about it. Sometimes you tip, other times you do not. Mix it up if you play a lot in the same Casino as most people do. If you lose, do not tip and let the dealer know you lost. This is good camouflage if you are a counter. If you win a big beat like a split give the dealer 5%.Don’t be a cheap skate like most counters seem to be

 

[Sonny]

All the dealers are working for minimum wage and rely on tips.

Most card counters are earning minimum wage too! :laugh: The reason they don’t tip is because they can’t afford to. It’s not that they’re cheap, it’s that they’re poor. When a card counter tips, he lowers his salary, increases the number of sessions he needs to play to reach his goal, increases the number of hours he needs to play to overcome the variance and increases his probability of going flat broke. Dealers don’t have to worry about any of those things. In most cases the card counter is worse off than the dealer, but nobody ever offers them tips.

-Sonny-

 

[shadroch]

Most card counters are earning minimum wage too! :laugh: The reason they don’t tip is because they can’t afford to. It’s not that they’re cheap, it’s that they’re poor. When a card counter tips, he lowers his salary, increases the number of sessions he needs to play to reach his goal, increases the number of hours he needs to play to overcome the variance and increases his probability of going flat broke. Dealers don’t have to worry about any of those things. In most cases the card counter is worse off than the dealer, but nobody ever offers them tips.

-Sonny-

I'm going to disagree with you on this. Most of the conters I've met had above average jobs and could easily afford to tip.Their excuse is that they are counters and it cuts into their EV.I'm sure there are a few down on their heels counters around,but the vast majority are doing fine. Just not off their casino income.

 

[The Seer]

Do the dealers peek under an ace or ten?

If they do, you may be able to learn something from the dealer "tells". Example; the dealer peeks under a ten and looks, then takes another quick peek. Dealer has a 4. The top of the 4 looks like the top of an ace.

That is a tell. However there are also tipping tells. If you get to the point where you are betting big and tipping $5 several times an hour, the dealer has a real investment in your continued winning. If the dealer peeks under an ace and then leans almost into your face with a "You do want another card, don't you" kind of look (I have known some at Indian casinos that would whisper it), dealer is telling she has a pat hand and you better hit your stiff. The one I knew would make a head move if my 17 was not enough and I should hit again or lose to her hard > 17.

If she has a stiff, she may back up to be out of your "space".

This may be all a history lesson as I have not seen it in a decade.

 

[rollem411]

Nowadays the dealer cannot see the hole card. If they do not have a blackjack, all they see is black and not the actual card. Some places may not have updated to this yet though.

 

[Sonny]

Most of the conters I've met had above average jobs and could easily afford to tip.

That’s true, but many players make a distinction between work income and AP income. If you want to use you work income to fund your entertainment expenses (meals, shows, tipping, etc.) that’s fine. That is how I used to do it. It will make the bookkeeping a little tricky but it keeps everybody happy. If you are tipping from your bankroll then you should understand how it affects your results and do it properly. Recreational players always have an entertainment fund for expenses, but serious players need to understand how to tip properly.

We cater to all levels of players on this site so it’s important to always show both sides of the coin. Just like the APs scoffed at your idea of getting comps from minimal slot play (despite its effectiveness), most recreational players would scoff at an AP who rarely tips. Your post is probably relevant to the majority of players here, but I feel obligated to share a different approach as well.

-Sonny-

 

[sagefr0g]

..... Your post is probably relevant to the majority of players here, but I feel obligated to share a different approach as well.

-Sonny-

yep i'd say this. Sonny, Bojack, RJT, ihate17, Renzey, QFIT, zg etal that i fail to mention. keep givin it out straight, lol. then those of us who aren't as professional minded can go ahead and butcher it up but still maybe retain some advantage.

 

[run2w8s]

If the casino rounds 50 cent bets up when you bet it for the dealer and get a blackjack, your dealer well get an extra 25 cents per Blackjack. 50 cent bet pays $1 instead of the "expected" 75 cents. If they round down, bet in increments of $1 so the dealer doesn't get screwed by the casino.

 

[jimpenn]

Over Tipper

Yesterday I was playing 6D $150 double ($300) in high roller room. I over-tip certain dealers. I was on maybe a 6 hand win streak and with a high count stood on a 16 verses 10. Dealer drew a 7 (I'm sitting at 3rd base and and he gives the "push sign" when a PC walked to table and I noticed he caught it and I immediately told dealer in unison with PC to pick up the money. I waited about twenty minutes when PC wasn't around to send him two green which I received back with interest prior to ending session. Playing NME at 6:30 am dealer will rarely have anyone watching and waiting for next shoe. I have never had anything but casual conversation with this dealer since I first met him. He's just understands what he has to do to elevate his EV.

 

[mvi222]

Tipping Dealers

I believe in tipping people in service jobs. However, if I am down, I just would seem dumb tipping which in essence is saying " Here, thanks for taking my money." I tend to tip at the end of a round. I watch some people tip the dealer so much it reminds me of the guys who sit stage-side at a strip joint.

Personally I think its a mistake to stiff a dealer (unless they have the personality of a toad) I like dealers who will actually help new players not screw up the table .

 

[EasyRhino]

There's one place nearby where dealers keep their own tips, AND they rotate between tables pretty quickly (like 30 minutes). I do hope I get an opportunity to tip at least once during a rotation, it always seems a little unfair that one guy would rake in huge tokes one day because of the timing of my streaks. (although, 8 hours a day by 40 a week, it probably averages out a lot).

At places that pool tips, I don't worry so much about it.

 

[young gutter]

tipping from a dealer and a player

I am a blackjack dealer and I play alot. first off do you tip a waiter or a bell person, vallet?
Its gratuity for good service if your dealer sucks, frowns or is unfriendly then no dont tip. but if your dealer is nice and friendly then a little tip does not hurt. what ever you feel comfortable with. do not feel cheap by tipping even a dollar if the dealer rolls thier eyes or does not thank u never tip that dealer again.
The way I tip is when i fell like tipping i put the tip on top of my bet, say a 5 dollar bet i will put a dollar on top, if i win i will give the winning dollar to the dealer ( or bet it for them). Now if I won I just tipped the dealer and did not effect my money at all, and can give the dealer another chance.

MOST IMPORTANT,

for all u card counters,, most dealers can not count espeacialy when they are dealing. BUT me fortunetly I can, and if your a counter, your bet fluctuates up and down with the count or u only appear at my table when the count is good and leave when it drops, and I give you a decent amount of money, AND U DONT TIP ME, TRUST ME THE HEAT IS ON, I will make it known that i believe u are a counter, and i have had a few people investigated tapes reviewed and then be 86. Luckily for u most dealers cant do what i do, so just be carefull about being stingy.

If u loose i understand even if I know your counting, but if your a smuck good luck.

 

[creeping panther]

young

I am a blackjack dealer and I play alot. first off do you tip a waiter or a bell person, vallet?
Its gratuity for good service if your dealer sucks, frowns or is unfriendly then no dont tip. but if your dealer is nice and friendly then a little tip does not hurt. what ever you feel comfortable with. do not feel cheap by tipping even a dollar if the dealer rolls thier eyes or does not thank u never tip that dealer again.
The way I tip is when i fell like tipping i put the tip on top of my bet, say a 5 dollar bet i will put a dollar on top, if i win i will give the winning dollar to the dealer ( or bet it for them). Now if I won I just tipped the dealer and did not effect my money at all, and can give the dealer another chance.

MOST IMPORTANT,

for all u card counters,, most dealers can not count espeacialy when they are dealing. BUT me fortunetly I can, and if your a counter, your bet fluctuates up and down with the count or u only appear at my table when the count is good and leave when it drops, and I give you a decent amount of money, AND U DONT TIP ME, TRUST ME THE HEAT IS ON, I will make it known that i believe u are a counter, and i have had a few people investigated tapes reviewed and then be 86. Luckily for u most dealers cant do what i do, so just be carefull about being stingy.

If u loose i understand even if I know your counting, but if your a smuck good luck.

Hey bud, you don't give any one money, the player wins or loses on their own.

You like ratting on players for using their skillz, which I really doubt you have, be warned, with some AP's,,, you may want to watch your back after work little boy. I know there are a few dealers that if I catch them outside the casino there will be a new meaning to the term HEAT!:yikes: There are consequences in life for your actions.:devil:

If you want tips give the player something,,,and it sure as hell is not threats.

CP

 

[MangoJ]

Asking for a tip against no-heat on counting is an invitation to collusion.
You don't want to do that, especially in a public forum.

If you are on the mind trip to pursue this thought, you should make a business decision and offer better playing conditions against a tip.