True count on a 6 deck game with 4.5d pen

[Xur]

How should I be calculating true count...im using Zen lvl2 count and have just been doing half decks the whole way.....i heard some where you should do quarter decks at some point....help!?

also...i recently have a nice +7 or 8 true count...bet 8x more normal bet and get killed, guessing this happens on occasion... I had 20 vs blackjack (i tried to get insurance but i failed), 18 vs 20, 19 vs 20....there goes my nice count down the shitter....

any tips?

 

[FLASH1296]

My share (that you need)

If your bet sizing is incorrect, you are completely doomed to failure.
That is not hyperbole.

It all depends on whether or not you are using the original (or re-computed) Indices for BET SIZING and Basic Strategy Departures --
or are you using the rounded indices that appear in the 2005 edition of Blackbelt in Blackjack

Few, if any of us, use the rounded indices.
I certainly do not.

Arnold Snyder, published a nice little .pdf document that superceded his
most recent book, restoring us to health via a set of good indices:

I am providing a link here:

(Dead link: http://www.mediafire.com/?m0wxjodqt35)

 

[Xur]

what opens that .webarchive?

 

[Xur]

nvm i got it.
Those are the ones you sent me before...and I have been using it....like it said +5 take insurance and i wanted to ; ( damn lcd touch screen

I definitely need more studying / practice with memorizing/using the indices...but i mean 5$ bet...played a total of 3-4 hrs up 30$ is about right if not a bit over what i should have made in that time

 

[non-self-weighter]

You need a much larger sample size.

 

[FLASH1296]

Oh No !!

Pulleeze tell me that you are not attempting to count cards on the internet !

You ought to know better.

Really !

 

[non-self-weighter]

Pulleeze tell me that you are not attempting to count cards on the internet !

You ought to know better.

Really !

Suddenly this comment makes more sense:

...like it said +5 take insurance and i wanted to ; ( damn lcd touch screen

I don't know much about internet blackjack, but my guess is you should disregard my previous post if you like money.

 

[Xur]

not internet ; p

its a virtual blackjack table at a local casino. RI does not allow table games, so this is the best we got....rules have been checked and double checked...its a 6 deck game with traditional shuffle and decent rules (stand on s17, double on 9,10,11, split 3 times, late surrender, 4.5pen, 1 card after aces split, 3:2 on bj, 5-500 limits)

drive there is 10 mintues....foxwoods or mohegan is 1.5 hrs +

 

[callipygian]

its a virtual blackjack table at a local casino. RI does not allow table games, so this is the best we got....rules have been checked and double checked...its a 6 deck game with traditional shuffle and decent rules (stand on s17, double on 9,10,11, split 3 times, late surrender, 4.5pen, 1 card after aces split, 3:2 on bj, 5-500 limits)

Pardon the skepticism, but given how fast a computer can shuffle, why on earth would they give 4.5 deck penetration? The usual problem with shuffling early is that it slows down the game.

Moreover, why would they TELL you what the penetration is unless the game were slowed down during a shuffle? It's a piece of information that is utterly useless to ploppies.

 

[Xur]

they have a screen that shows you a "shoe" and a cut card...when it reaches the cut card...it shuffles...I have seen a manual for the system (digideal) and they have settings for the pen...I will be going again shortly and counting the number of cards before a shuffle....someone said they think its more around 3/6....i will get back to ya (but its definitely shuffling)

 

[callipygian]

someone said they think its more around 3/6

There's a HUGE difference between 3/6 and 4.5/6. Bring a ruler if you need to, but nail down that number.

 

[johndoe]

I doubt it's 4.5, but if they want to market it as a live-table equivalent they'll try to mimic everything as precisely as possible.

3/6 pen is probably still beatable, if you don't mind waiting around for a long time, and spreading $5-$500 at weak, brief counts with slight advantage. I haven't run the sims myself though. Doesn't sound like much fun.

 

[callipygian]

spreading $5-$500

I've never played these computerized systems, but off the top of my head, I would expect there to be MORE heat on the computerized games, not less heat. And every single bet you make is probably tracked. I'd guess your spread would have to be much more restricted than in a hand dealt game, not less restricted.

 

[bjcounter]

How does wonging effect these games? Do additional players cause a reshuffle or anything like that? If so, you could cause reshuffles during neg. counts, essentially wonging out. If they don't cause reshuffles you could play a team strategy using BP, which would be worth it with decent pen.

 

[Xur]

yea BP strategy would definitely work, you can wong out but the game does not shuffle if no one is playing....i think it might after an hr or something but not positive. But wonging in would work fine:devil:

as for heat...yea if u go from 5 to 500 you might get "heat" but if you are normally betting like that i dont think they will be able to make heads or tails of it....1 person for 4 tables...and they dont have much of a clue...they just put the money in the machine....and give stupid advice like stand 12 vs 10.....as for the eyes in the sky no clue there...i do not believe that the games are wired into a network so they can be monitored from above....but they do have a statistics system built in...but to check it they would have to do all work on the console.

 

[Romes]

I'm quite intrigued...So are you saying there's a computer simulated blackjack game that deals 4.5 deck pen. (was that confirmed?) that you can wong in on with no pit bosses / dealers around to stop you from spreading 5-500? Are there pit bosses around the game monitoring the stastics and betting spreads or something?

Is there any way to confirm this? Where is this at again?

 

[johndoe]

No, it cuts 3/6, not 4.5/6. Big difference. Still beatable, but not such a great opportunity. You'll see only a few hands with advantage once in a while. Hello high variance.

Anyone want to run the sims on spreading $5-$100 or more on a game like this? Curious to SCORE, etc.

 

[kewljason]

I'm quite intrigued...So are you saying there's a computer simulated blackjack game that deals 4.5 deck pen. (was that confirmed?) that you can wong in on with no pit bosses / dealers around to stop you from spreading 5-500? Are there pit bosses around the game monitoring the stastics and betting spreads or something?

Is there any way to confirm this? Where is this at again?

I too am intrigued, but not enough to wild goose chase. The poster originally said 6decks/4.5 pen but later backed down to 6/3 which as callipygian pointed out, is a huge difference. No one else has confirmed the penetration, rules, or heat situation.

The poster said the casino was in Rhode Island, but didn't specify where. My search only turned up two Rhode Island casinos. I may take a day and check them out on my next foxwood run in april.

 

[FLASH1296]

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[Xur]

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There are no laws prohibiting Prostitution, but there are laws
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rofl. so true!

alright...i have yet to can an exact card number count of penetration but I do agree it is definitely not 4.5/6....When you look at it it looks like 4.5/6 but if you take into consideration the lcd is trying to mimic a real shoe....and the cards are at an angle it makes more sense that it is 3/6 pen....wish it wasn't true :cry:

still a fun/cheap way to practice counting with out having to worry about heat..

as for the rules it is...
Stand on s17
split 3x
one card with aces split
double on 9, 10, 11
Late surrender
umm i think that's all of them....if i forgot any let me know.

little to no heat...5-500 bet....tho i have never seen anyone betting over 50$ a hand average...so expect on lookers if you wanna play big

I am debating now if I should go back again...take my lucky/positive swings and walk away from a sub par game...can't wong it too well...the game does not shuffle if there is no one playing, and playing more than heads up or 2-3 people makes the game terrible...(reading Blackbelt in Blackjack...did the SPI count for it and its in the shitter for more than heads up...)