Automatic Monkey- im sure your used to the 8d...... but reality is that it takes a very long time to get a good true count....... and pen is always bad v.s. the 6 deck pen. I've backcounted both 6d and 8d ......... the vast majority of the time in an 8d game you will be backcounting and backcounting and backcounting. Its just not worth it if you are going to a casino looking for a reasonable ev.
West Virginia Blackjack Game (Future)
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Depending on the part of the state-in this case, W.VA., OH, & Penn. (Tho MD should rally be considered). Near Argosy, tri-state is Oh, In & Ky. In the 'religious south' where I'm at, it's Oh, Ky, & W VA.
BTW, I DIDN'T vote for casino gambling because our government leadership lied about how the revenue was going to help the schools and other crap. If they had said "Hey, we've found another way to fleece the constituants out of more of their hard-earned money", I would have said-Cool! (Yeah, casino's lie, too. But at least they give you SOMETHING in return!!!):flame:
BTW, I DIDN'T vote for casino gambling because our government leadership lied about how the revenue was going to help the schools and other crap. If they had said "Hey, we've found another way to fleece the constituants out of more of their hard-earned money", I would have said-Cool! (Yeah, casino's lie, too. But at least they give you SOMETHING in return!!!):flame:
Backcounting, for a particular spread and rule set I use:
6D, 1.5 decks pen: Win Rate= $54.13 IBA%= 1.656 SD/hand= 4.93
8D, 1.5 decks pen: Win Rate= $49.18 IBA%= 1.557 SD/hand= 4.81
The addition of just slightly better pen...
8D, 1.3 decks pen: Win Rate= $54.05 IBA%= 1.662 SD/hand= 4.90
...makes the 8D and 6D game equal
Look for good rules and good pen, and all other things being equal, there is not a big difference between 8D and 6D. It may seem like there is because of the non-linear way we perceive time, and the boring part is going to be remembered more readily than the stimulating part. But in dollars there is no real difference.
If there's better pen (in decks, not percentage of the shoe) at the 6D game of course that will be the better one, but in environments like AC where there are 6D and 8D games the pen is going to depend on the dealer more than the number of decks.
6D, 1.5 decks pen: Win Rate= $54.13 IBA%= 1.656 SD/hand= 4.93
8D, 1.5 decks pen: Win Rate= $49.18 IBA%= 1.557 SD/hand= 4.81
The addition of just slightly better pen...
8D, 1.3 decks pen: Win Rate= $54.05 IBA%= 1.662 SD/hand= 4.90
...makes the 8D and 6D game equal
Look for good rules and good pen, and all other things being equal, there is not a big difference between 8D and 6D. It may seem like there is because of the non-linear way we perceive time, and the boring part is going to be remembered more readily than the stimulating part. But in dollars there is no real difference.
If there's better pen (in decks, not percentage of the shoe) at the 6D game of course that will be the better one, but in environments like AC where there are 6D and 8D games the pen is going to depend on the dealer more than the number of decks.
Yep, near Athens. My VERY LIMITED experience has been in the mid-west where all of the pit games I have seen were 2D $25 min., 4D $15 min., and 6D $5 min. (I've only seen 1 8D table, stayed away from it, and only glanced at the High Roller room. They wouldn't have approved of my drooling all over their carpets). That, and being that I am close enogh to WVA to know their economics is what surprised me.
But, like I said, my experience is really limited, and I consider myself a "future ac after a few more months of practicing!" And my idea of practice, wonging or not, is NOT $100.00 minimums!!!
But, like I said, my experience is really limited, and I consider myself a "future ac after a few more months of practicing!" And my idea of practice, wonging or not, is NOT $100.00 minimums!!!
sagefr0g said:
your didn't vote for it?! you must like traveling to your games?
why not let it get started then change how the money is appropriated? seems to me the hard part is getting the ball rolling.
you must like traveling to your games?why not let it get started then change how the money is appropriated? seems to me the hard part is getting the ball rolling.
And Ohio's motto since Rhodes on, seems to be "Stick it to them before they stick it to the man"!:whip:
-EPS
eps6724 said:
Yep, near Athens. My VERY LIMITED experience has been in the mid-west where all of the pit games I have seen were 2D $25 min., 4D $15 min., and 6D $5 min. (I've only seen 1 8D table, stayed away from it, and only glanced at the High Roller room. They wouldn't have approved of my drooling all over their carpets). That, and being that I am close enogh to WVA to know their economics is what surprised me.
But, like I said, my experience is really limited, and I consider myself a "future ac after a few more months of practicing!" And my idea of practice, wonging or not, is NOT $100.00 minimums!!!
But, like I said, my experience is really limited, and I consider myself a "future ac after a few more months of practicing!" And my idea of practice, wonging or not, is NOT $100.00 minimums!!!
The reason why I asked if you were close to Athens is because that is where I went to school/lived for 5 years.
Know the schol well...and now I know how you learned to hold your alcohol (among other "things":vomit:
And right now, I can sit on my front porch and see W.VA. And it makes me think that I have misjudged W.VA. government. Since NO-ONE in that state could afford to plop down $100.00 a pop, they obviously made the games for those outside of the state! That way, the poor, oppressed people in W.VA. can keep their money, and W.VA. gets rich off of wealthy PA people! What a great idea! If Ohio would have pitched it THAT way (making money off of Michigan) I would have voted for it!!! :laugh:
And right now, I can sit on my front porch and see W.VA. And it makes me think that I have misjudged W.VA. government. Since NO-ONE in that state could afford to plop down $100.00 a pop, they obviously made the games for those outside of the state! That way, the poor, oppressed people in W.VA. can keep their money, and W.VA. gets rich off of wealthy PA people! What a great idea! If Ohio would have pitched it THAT way (making money off of Michigan) I would have voted for it!!! :laugh:
I know. There's a certain breed of Christian who believe that any form of gambling is a sin or somehow immoral. Heck, every time you cross the street, it's a gamble. Frankly, I don't know where they get aversion to gambling from--it's certainly not in the Bible--I suppose it's from the evils sometimes associated with excessive and/or illegal gambling. Even most states now endorse gambling, like lotteries, as long as it's supporting a "good" cause (cough, cough). Heck! I think my financial well-being is a good cause!
Actually, it wasn't the Christians who started the backlash, rather it stems from the suffrigist/temperance movement of the latter 19th century, when we begin to see an outcry over two of the 3 most popular forms of entertainment for 19th century Americans-cards and dancing. (The third, BTW, was singing. (My work has led me into a lot of research on the history of both cards and gaming in this country). Oddly enough, they were NOT connected with the beliefs of the church, rather the problems associated with drinking and taverns. Unfortunately, most of this movement also coinsided with the 2nd Reformation, where a number of the more Fundamentalist churches sprang (split) from the Presbyterians. This caused a specific cultures within the churches themselves to arise, a difference of where the "Absolute Law of God" was injected with the "Moralistic Law (view) of Man".
And yes, both sides of the coin can be argued convincingly-that a 'moral' Christian can-with an understanding of himself and his limits-play cards, dance, even have a beer-where the argument can ALSO be made that a 'moral' Christian could NEVER be a part of the two and never have to search for an understanding of himself and his limits. (Kinda like the easy way-studying to be a perfect BS player, and a perfect BS player who studies to be a perfect BS AP player. Both have their merits). It has to do with a definition of 'good' and 'evil' which is better suited to a theological forum.
And I didn't vote for gaming in Ohio not because of my pro-religious beliefs, rather because of my anti-government beliefs.:whip:
Remember what Winston Churchill said: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for everything else!"
And yes, both sides of the coin can be argued convincingly-that a 'moral' Christian can-with an understanding of himself and his limits-play cards, dance, even have a beer-where the argument can ALSO be made that a 'moral' Christian could NEVER be a part of the two and never have to search for an understanding of himself and his limits. (Kinda like the easy way-studying to be a perfect BS player, and a perfect BS player who studies to be a perfect BS AP player. Both have their merits). It has to do with a definition of 'good' and 'evil' which is better suited to a theological forum.
And I didn't vote for gaming in Ohio not because of my pro-religious beliefs, rather because of my anti-government beliefs.:whip:
Remember what Winston Churchill said: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for everything else!"
I don't think you could make an argument from the bible that drinking is always wrong, unless I missed something. The only support you would have are some proverbs that warn about drunkeness, and on the other side you would have Jesus drinking and including wine in communion, and Paul advising Timothy to drink wine. And, in my research, I found the bible to be pretty silent on the subject of gambling; in fact they "gambled" in Acts 1 to decide who would replace Judas.
And since we're told not to add to God's commands, it is wrong to command people never to drink or gamble. There might be some exceptions, like if you had a church in Vegas with a large percentage of problem gamblers, or a church where alcoholism was a serious problem, but those would be situational, not for all people.
And I voted against gambling in ohio because it was all slot machines. And you can't beat slot machines.
And since we're told not to add to God's commands, it is wrong to command people never to drink or gamble. There might be some exceptions, like if you had a church in Vegas with a large percentage of problem gamblers, or a church where alcoholism was a serious problem, but those would be situational, not for all people.
And I voted against gambling in ohio because it was all slot machines. And you can't beat slot machines.