Which card counting system and then what book?

[ck85abc3]

I play locally by these rules and want to learn locally as they don't care if you count cards. They will just cut you off if you win 800 dollars or so and would refuse play in the future if you kept on doing that.

Rules:

1. 4 decks
2. Dealer stands on soft 17
3. Aces can be split up to 4 times and you only get one card on each ace.
4. All other equally valued cards can be split up to 4 times.
5. You can only double down when you have two cards but can double down at any value.
6. 3:2 blackjack payout
7. 75% plus penetration.

BTW, I play for fun whenever i'm at the bars and usually lose, so I've started following perfect basic strategy and practicing hi lo.

 

[sagefr0g]

I play locally by these rules and want to learn locally as they don't care if you count cards. They will just cut you off if you win 800 dollars or so and would refuse play in the future if you kept on doing that.

Rules:

1. 4 decks
2. Dealer stands on soft 17
3. Aces can be split up to 4 times and you only get one card on each ace.
4. All other equally valued cards can be split up to 4 times.
5. You can only double down when you have two cards but can double down at any value.
6. 3:2 blackjack payout
7. 75% plus penetration.

BTW, I play for fun whenever i'm at the bars and usually lose, so I've started following perfect basic strategy and practicing hi lo.

you mention practicing hi/lo . stick with it it's a great system.
Stanford Wong's Professional Blackjack is a good book for the hi/lo player also John May's Get The Edge At Blackjack.
man i wish i could find a four deck game! and a place that didn't care about the counting.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[SystemsTrader]

Hi-Lo will be fine. That's a great game you are playing against. The house edge is only -0.284%. Can you name the casino which is offering this game or do you want to keep it private?

 

[zengrifter]

you mention practicing hi/lo . stick with it it's a great system. Stanford Wong's Professional Blackjack is a good book for the hi/lo player also John May's Get The Edge At Blackjack.
man i wish i could find a four deck game! and a place that didn't care about the counting.

With all due respect the the Sage, Snyder's Blackbelt in BJ is THE key text for HiLo and other count systems, not Wong, and May's book is a poor investment of $6-$10. zg

 

[ck85abc3]

Hi-Lo will be fine. That's a great game you are playing against. The house edge is only -0.284%. Can you name the casino which is offering this game or do you want to keep it private?

It's not at a casino, just the local bars. A local business runs most of the blackjack tables in all the bars and splits profit I would guess.

A close by city has the same rules only 6 deck. I'm not sure how this city would react to card counters.

I'm curious before I revile to much information, if I said where this was on here would people travel here just to play blackjack? Since this is my hometown and I will be working here for about a year I wouldn't want the business running the tables to start cracking down on counters to much.

 

[Cass]

It's not at a casino, just the local bars. A local business runs most of the blackjack tables in all the bars and splits profit I would guess.

A close by city has the same rules only 6 deck. I'm not sure how this city would react to card counters.

I'm curious before I revile to much information, if I said where this was on here would people travel here just to play blackjack? Since this is my hometown and I will be working here for about a year I wouldn't want the business running the tables to start cracking down on counters to much.

I think I know what area you are in. If you dont want other counters than dont say where. The table limits arent worth traveling to anyway. RIGHT>??

 

[sagefr0g]

you mention practicing hi/lo . stick with it it's a great system. Stanford Wong's Professional Blackjack is a good book for the hi/lo player also John May's Get The Edge At Blackjack.
man i wish i could find a four deck game! and a place that didn't care about the counting./QUOTE]
With all due respect the the Sage, Snyder's Blackbelt in BJ is THE key text for HiLo and other count systems, not Wong, and May's book is a poor investment of $6-$10. zg

how so Zen? i find Arnold Snyder's magnificent text Blackbelt in Blackjack slanted towards red seven and hi/lo lite. well i can't find fault with Snyders work but as a hi/lo player i had to always be on guard of not mixing up unbalance count system methodology with that which is employed for hi/lo.
on the other hand Stanford Wong's Professional Blackjack benchmark most of his explainations by hi/lo as well as his charts and tables. with respect to John May's Get the Edge At Blackjack again he relies heavily on hi/lo in his explaination of learning to count. otherwise an excellent text for the big picture of advantage play in many of it's aspects.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[ck85abc3]

I think I know what area you are in. If you dont want other counters than dont say where. The table limits arent worth traveling to anyway. RIGHT>??

oh, yes... 1 dollar min and 25 dollar max. Perfect for learning.

 

[avs21]

oh, yes... 1 dollar min and 25 dollar max. Perfect for learning.

I don't think anyone would travel out of their way for a game with 25 dollar max bet. I have played at a low stakes sports bar casino before with a small max bet also. There was no heat at all they didn't even have PB watching the games until the poker table opened up.

 

[zengrifter]

how so Zen? i find Arnold Snyder's magnificent text Blackbelt in Blackjack slanted towards red seven and hi/lo lite.

The HiLoLite Blackbelt treatment is superior to Wong BECAUSE the important elements are more clearly deliniated AND the chart(s) are simpler. As for JMay, er arrgh ahh mmm... don't get me started.:eyepatch: zg

 

[ScottH]

man i wish i could find a four deck game!

I turn 21 in 1 hour and the town I live pretty much exclusively has a 4-deck games in the bars.

But it must be pretty bad where you're from to wish for a 4 deck game. Are you in AC? I like playing double deck games much better, the edge from counting is much higher.

 

[sagefr0g]

The HiLoLite Blackbelt treatment is superior to Wong BECAUSE the important elements are more clearly deliniated AND the chart(s) are simpler. As for JMay, er arrgh ahh mmm... don't get me started.:eyepatch: zg

i'd have to agree in that Blackbelt In Blackjack is easier to wade through than Professional Blackjack. i came to the conclusion that Professional Blackjack could have been structured better presentation wise. Blackbelt In Blackjack is superior in that regard. IMHO Mr. Snyder could have named HiLoLite better. i'd prefer it be called HiLoTrueEdge. (truth be known i don't even know if Mr. Snyder was the originator of HiLoLite) . but anyway i don't see HiLoLite as superior to HiLo. granted you know the true edge with HiLoLite in that the true count value becomes correlated to the advantage. but that requires dividing by two on top of figuring the generic true count. figuring out the generic true count is enough fun as it is with out having to then divide by two. just my opinion everyone else's mileage may vary. i mean what are you going to do once you know the true edge? the only thing i can think of is your going to determine your bets and determine if you should deviate from basic strategy or not. well with generic hi/lo the prepared practitioner will have his bet scheme already worked out according to the various true counts and the generic hi/lo practitioner already has Wong's charts and the volumes of informtion ala Schlesinger from Blackjack Attack at his finger tips. said generic HiLo practitioner will also have Snyder's charts and considerations also at his beckon call, but he will have had to correlate that information before being able to relate it to generic HiLo. also with HiLoLite if i'm not mistaken you stray numerically from the value give by the true count of generic HiLo which gives you an understanding of what the composition of the pack remaining to be dealt is with regard to the relative number of high weighted value cards to low value weighted cards.
to my way of considering the seminality of the various authors and the literature it's more what the reader does with them all and the understanding he gleans from each. after that it seems a matter of personal preferance.
i won't say which author i prefer over all :devil: at least not in this post.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[SystemsTrader]

I turn 21 in 1 hour and the town I live pretty much exclusively has a 4-deck games in the bars.

But it must be pretty bad where you're from to wish for a 4 deck game. Are you in AC? I like playing double deck games much better, the edge from counting is much higher.

Blackjack out east is pretty much all 8 deck, so it's a thrill just to find six deck games let alone 4 deck!

 

[SystemsTrader]

It's not at a casino, just the local bars. A local business runs most of the blackjack tables in all the bars and splits profit I would guess.

A close by city has the same rules only 6 deck. I'm not sure how this city would react to card counters.

I'm curious before I revile to much information, if I said where this was on here would people travel here just to play blackjack? Since this is my hometown and I will be working here for about a year I wouldn't want the business running the tables to start cracking down on counters to much.

It's up to you if you want to protect your game? I think all counters keep quiet on their casinos with good games? With a $25 max bet, counters won't be travelling to your bar to play there. It wouldn't be worth the travel expenses!

 

[sagefr0g]

I turn 21 in 1 hour and the town I live pretty much exclusively has a 4-deck games in the bars.

But it must be pretty bad where you're from to wish for a 4 deck game. Are you in AC? I like playing double deck games much better, the edge from counting is much higher.

TWENTY ONE ! :celebrate
twenty one an gonna play twenty one eh :cool2:
ahh lemme see i was once twenty one....
not in AC here no sir. never been there when they had casino's. used to play quite a bit in Indiana. now i'm around well some where you know one doesn't want to say.
but yea four deckers would be kewl and two deckers so far for me is but a dream. gonna do some travelin one of these days though ......
go gettem tiger.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[Sonny]

Here's a good start:

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And cheap too!

-Sonny-