You Take This Stuff Way to Seriously!
MAZ said:
Alright sparky you aren't getting it even if you did make my point in your last novel you posted. The other things that don't involve counting that you mention is exactly along those lines. I have not said you shouldn't use a higher level count, I have said its not that important to most and to push it as it being the end all is pretty naive. If straight counting is your game, then do your thing dude. In my eyes though, if you put the time in to be proficient in higher levels of counting to gain as much advantage as you can, you are placing your energies in the wrong direction. Certain techniques may call for counting where a simple count will do, others call for no counting at all. All of which I speak of destroy the EV of any straight counting method. Regardless of what level you use. The thing is, I get what you're saying I just can't relate. Working hard is great but if money is what you're after your level 3 count moves you up to fry cook from strictly level 1 count dishwasher. I'd rather own the restaurant and let you guys fight it out about who works the weekends. You see in my world its that way son.
Perhaps I can post a novel because I use a higher level count and have the extra time on my hands!:joker::whip:
I never said I was a straight counter. I try real hard not to make any assumptions.
I think we agree more then you realize.
I never said a higher level count is the be all, end all. The original question of this post asked about "counts". Then some comment that the higher level counts are only worth "pennies?" This is factually not true. It's a matter of opinion and ability on if the "dollars" in SCORE are worth it.
As I stated; Yes, other things have value, some of them great value. Some don't even need counting, some strong counting adds extra value.
To some a high level count is easy and can be done proficiently so there is nothing wrong with them doing so! I don't think many would turn down a 5% raise on a job even if it meant little or perhaps no real additional effort? Maybe as gamblers most of us are lazy slobs and want to get by with as little effort as possible. As I look around my room, a heavy sigh!:joker::whip:
The amount of effort we put into the game does have diminshing returns and is situational anyway. We could have the same discussion over ace side counts. The value, effort, situation yada yada!
I don't know if you are in this group. I wonder if those who criticize a stronger count ever used one or are capable. When I say higher level counts may be beyond some I do not mean it as an insult. There are those who run faster then I do. I am not offended.
Your restaurant owner analogy is interesting. Some of those other things are illegial. I will assume you do not mean those. However, some of the legal ones can be perceived as illegial and can cause one a lot of trouble. Did you know most restaurants fail?
Gee, dad I hope you don't get arrested with those "other" techniques. I don't know if I make enough money with my "straight" high level counting to bail you out! I actually have been straight my whole life but I have no idea what that has to do with anything!:joker::whip: