You can watch the movie 21 on line for free

[GentleManSteve]

Both are illegal.

No I am afraid not. It is Illegal to have it in your possession. Sense you are watching it online then that isn't having it in your possession.

Now if it is Illegal to watch a movie that isn't in your possession then we could not go to our friends house to watch a movie.

You have to use commonsense here.

They mostly do not want for people to sale them.

And you have to know they want the big Fish not the little fish. If you understand what I mean.

But to say it is illegal to watch a movie that you didn't get legally is like saying we could not go to a friends house and watch it.

 

[QFIT]

But to say it is illegal to watch a movie that you didn't get legally is like saying we could not go to a friends house and watch it.

Sorry, but you have made some errors in this thread.

1. The countries I listed are all signatories of the Berne Convention. Any copyright in any of these counties is automatically honored by all other countries that have signed the convention. There is no need to file a copyright in each country.

2. Under the Copyright Act of 1978, any item is copyrighted automatically by the act of publishing. Publishing means placing in a form that can be read/seen/heard by another person and making it available to that person. For example, you are in a bar and write something on a bar napkin. When you hand it to another person, that is publishing it. It is then automatically copyrighted. There is no need to register the copyright or place a copyright symbol on the napkin. (Although both are still suggested.) TradeMark law is similar by requires continued use.

3. Viewing a movie online that has been pirated involves downloading it, even if it is streamed. That is making a copy and is illegal. (You can make copies if you have a legal item for backup purposes as long as you do not sell/rent/loan either the copy or original to someone else while continuing to use the item yourself or if the item is restricted to a specific device or medium.) This is in no way similar to watching a legal film at a friend's house. The copyright laws specifically allow you to borrow legal tapes, books, etc. and to listen/view them as long is it is not commercial (e.g. a bar showing a movie to many people requires payment of royalties because it is a commercial establishment.) A jukebox in a bar is legal because royalty payments are made for each song played. Hooking up an iPod in a bar to play music is illegal.

(Sorry all my examples involve bars.)

 

[GentleManSteve]

Sorry, but you have made some errors in this thread.

1. The countries I listed are all signatories of the Berne Convention. Any copyright in any of these counties is automatically honored by all other countries that have signed the convention. There is no need to file a copyright in each country.

2. Under the Copyright Act of 1978, any item is copyrighted automatically by the act of publishing. Publishing means placing in a form that can be read/seen/heard by another person and making it available to that person. For example, you are in a bar and write something on a bar napkin. When you hand it to another person, that is publishing it. It is then automatically copyrighted. There is no need to register the copyright or place a copyright symbol on the napkin. (Although both are still suggested.) TradeMark law is similar by requires continued use.

3. Viewing a movie online that has been pirated involves downloading it, even if it is streamed. That is making a copy and is illegal. (You can make copies if you have a legal item for backup purposes as long as you do not sell/rent/loan either the copy or original to someone else while continuing to use the item yourself or if the item is restricted to a specific device or medium.) This is in no way similar to watching a legal film at a friend's house. The copyright laws specifically allow you to borrow legal tapes, books, etc. and to listen/view them as long is it is not commercial (e.g. a bar showing a movie to many people requires payment of royalties because it is a commercial establishment.) A jukebox in a bar is legal because royalty payments are made for each song played. Hooking up an iPod in a bar to play music is illegal.

(Sorry all my examples involve bars.)

Who will get busted if caught playing music in a bar with an IPod?

The people listening or the owner of the bar?

Not all countries are in with the Berne Convention.

 

[QFIT]

Who will get busted if caught playing music in a bar with an IPod?

The people listening or the owner of the bar?

Not all countries are in with the Berne Convention.

161 countries are signatories of the Berne Convention. Countries that include 99.99% of humans have recognized the value of protecting such rights.

The question was is it illegal. It is illegal to watch pirated movies. It is theft and a violation of another's intellectual property rights.

 

[GentleManSteve]

161 countries are signatories of the Berne Convention. Countries that include 99.99% of humans have recognized the value of protecting such rights.

The question was is it illegal. It is illegal to watch pirated movies. It is theft and a violation of another's intellectual property rights.

What I am trying to get you to understand is not all countries are in the Berne Convention. If I remeber right Iraq and Iran isn't in it or Afghanistan.

And we have to ask who has rights to it?

Lets say I have 20 % stock in Warner Brothers. Doesn't that give me rights in what they show? I have part ownership of it if I have stocks in that company. I know what you are thinking. It doesn't matter if you have stocks that doesn't mean you own that part of the Company.

I beg the differ. Some people buy 51 % of a company for a hostile take over. They buy 51 % of the stocks so then they own majority of the Company and that gives them right and more ownership of that company and that gives them more rights for a hostile take over.

You say I am wrong about if they do not have it copyrighted for a country because of the Berne Convention. I am right cause all countries isn't under the Berne Convention. So I am right to a certain degree.

There is just too many loop holds on it all. I know it is wrong. I am not arguing that. I am just pointing out possibilities. So just because of the Berne Convention doesn't mean that all are under it. And all isn't under it.

The possibilities I have stated is true.

 

[zengrifter]

Lets say I have 20 % stock in Warner Brothers. Doesn't that give me rights in what they show? I have part ownership of it if I have stocks in that company. I know what you are thinking. It doesn't matter if you have stocks that doesn't mean you own that part of the Company.

I tried that argument in a casino once - "Hey, you can't bar me, I'm a shareholder!"
Casino manager told me: "Well, you are a barred shareholder." zg

 

[Bashful C. Stupid-Butt]

If you didn;t download it, you don;t have it. Just because you watch it online without downloading doesn't make it wrong.

 

[zengrifter]

If you didn;t download it, you don;t have it. Just because you watch it online without downloading doesn't make it wrong.

NORM SAYS THE MERE WATCHING, LIKE ON YOUTUBE, CONSTITUTES "DOWNLOADING". ZG

 

[MrMaster]

watching on youtube is actually downloading. The movie gets downloaded to the browsers cache...

 

[GentleManSteve]

I tried that argument in a casino once - "Hey, you can't bar me, I'm a shareholder!"
Casino manager told me: "Well, you are a barred shareholder." zg

Buy up to 51 percent and do a hostile take over and fire that jackass. LOL

Then tell them you are going to turn this place into a car wash and actually do it. Turn it into the car wash casino. LOL LOL

 

[GentleManSteve]

watching on youtube is actually downloading. The movie gets downloaded to the browsers cache...

Some stream that require that it isn't cached. If you do one that if you go back to watch and it requires that it restreams then it doesn't cache that one. If you know what I mean.

 

[QFIT]

What I am trying to get you to understand is not all countries are in the Berne Convention. If I remeber right Iraq and Iran isn't in it or Afghanistan.

Then go to Iran and watch it. It is illegal here.

And we have to ask who has rights to it?

Lets say I have 20 % stock in Warner Brothers. Doesn't that give me rights in what they show? I have part ownership of it if I have stocks in that company. I know what you are thinking. It doesn't matter if you have stocks that doesn't mean you own that part of the Company.

Of course not. Suppose you own stock in General Motors. Can you walk in and take a car? If you own stock in a casino, can you walk in and take chips off the table? Or take the table? I don't suggest trying it. If it were true, everyone could just buy one share of Warner Brothers and watch free movies for the rest of their lives. Well, until WB went bankrupt from lack of income.

You say I am wrong about if they do not have it copyrighted for a country because of the Berne Convention. I am right cause all countries isn't under the Berne Convention. So I am right to a certain degree.

Only if you want to go to Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan. You don't have a license here and it is irrelevant where the movie is. What matters is where you are. Opium can be bought over the counter in many countries. That doesn't make it legal for you to order it and ship it to the US.

The possibilities I have stated is true.

Sorry, no. It is a violation of intellectual property rights.

 

[QFIT]

Some stream that require that it isn't cached. If you do one that if you go back to watch and it requires that it restreams then it doesn't cache that one. If you know what I mean.

It is still buffered.

 

[GentleManSteve]

I think if we sit here we can argue about what is right or wrong.

The question at hand is it illegal to view it?

Not if they have rights to show it from a site.

Those sites are still up and nobody has closed them.

Boils done to if those sites have rights to show it? I mean have privileges to show it.

We know places like Netlinks show them on line but have rights to show it.

So what to say that a place like watch-movies.net doesn't have rights to show it. It is a site that been up for awhile but has not been shutdown. Why?

 

[QFIT]

I think if we sit here we can argue about what is right or wrong.

The question at hand is it illegal to view it?

Not if they have rights to show it from a site.

Those sites are still up and nobody has closed them.

Boils done to if those sites have rights to show it? I mean have privileges to show it.

We know places like Netlinks show them on line but have rights to show it.

So what to say that a place like watch-movies.net doesn't have rights to show it. It is a site that been up for awhile but has not been shutdown. Why?

These sites are being shut down all the time. It just takes awhile. PirateBay is next. They were charged with conspiracy to break copyright law in January.

 

[GentleManSteve]

These sites are being shut down all the time. It just takes awhile. PirateBay is next. They were charged with conspiracy to break copyright law in January.

Like I said we can argue with Facts all day long. But either way we have to ask if viewing is illegal.

Nobody has really answered that to my satisfaction.

Is it illegal to view something that you have not bought legally?

All copyrights I have ever read take away your rights of illegallity to copy part or in whole.

So I ask is it illegal to watch something that you just watch. That that doesn't show. We know that it is illegal to copy but people still copy for their own viewing pleasure. Is that illegal? Is it legal to copy a movie you bought legally incase one gets scratched?

 

[QFIT]

Like I said we can argue with Facts all day long. But either way we have to ask if viewing is illegal.

Nobody has really answered that to my satisfaction.

Is it illegal to view something that you have not bought legally?

All copyrights I have ever read take away your rights of illegallity to copy part or in whole.

So I ask is it illegal to watch something that you just watch. That that doesn't show. We know that it is illegal to copy but people still copy for their own viewing pleasure. Is that illegal? Is it legal to copy a movie you bought legally incase one gets scratched?

It illegal to watch a movie on the 'Net without authorization from the copyright holder. You do not have a license.

It is not illegal to make a copy of a movie that you have purchased for backup purposes.

 

[GentleManSteve]

It illegal to watch a movie on the 'Net without authorization from the copyright holder. You do not have a license.

It is not illegal to make a copy of a movie that you have purchased for backup purposes.

OK we are getting somewhere now.

What if the site that you are viewing it from has authorization from the copyright holder to show it as Netlinks does?

 

[QFIT]

OK we are getting somewhere now.

What if the site that you are viewing it from has authorization from the copyright holder to show it as Netlinks does?

Obviously, if they have authorization then they have authorization. And if you have authorization then you have authorization. But, watch-movies.net doesn't. It's a criminal organization.

 

[GentleManSteve]

Obviously, if they have authorization then they have authorization. And if you have authorization then you have authorization. But, watch-movies.net doesn't. It's a criminal organization.

It links to other sites. I just links to sites that has it. So I guess that we have to ask another question. LOL

Is it illegal to link to a site that has somehting that is being illegally shown on it?

Is Google in the wrong if you search for a movie and you come up on a link that has it showing illegally?

LOL all the possibilities