Ace tracking.

zengrifter said:
Probably not, though AutoMonk says that a 1-20 spread gives the 6:5 games an acceptable SCORE. And 6:5 games are great for frontloading (holecard play). zg
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It does, but you need to use a Zen count (Unbalanced Zen will work, Unbalanced Zen Halves {-1,1,2,2,3,2,1,0,-1,-2} is ideal), and there can't be more than 2 hands in the game. This analysis I did to compare the 6:5 games to the shoe games in AC, turns out there isn't much difference for straight counting. But the 6:5 games there are very crowded (and all use autoshufflers) so it's not a worthwhile approach.
 
Hi,

who acutally in here does shuffle tracking or sequencing?

Honestly, how many times did you really get (the) a ace which you predicted?
 
Mackhack said:
Hi,

who acutally in here does shuffle tracking or sequencing?

Honestly, how many times did you really get (the) a ace which you predicted?
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Depends on the method used and the shuffle being attacked. Some games it's been as high as 20% or so. Other times it's indistinguishable from the normal rate of getting aces, just as it is when you are betting into a high count. Ace sequencing has variance and bankroll requirements just like counting does, only using different math and very different skills.
 
Mackhack said:
Honestly, how many times did you really get (the) a ace which you predicted?
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On a good day its better that 20% (2D-2hands) overall I cant tell you for sure, but its often enough that I haven't given it up -- its an enhancement to the count for me. zg
 
ScottH said:
What type of shuffle needs to be done in order to be able to track the aces?
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The simpler the better. A shuffle that doesn't use many riffles and/or strips is ideal.

-Sonny-
 
Mackhack said:
who acutally in here does shuffle tracking or sequencing?
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I have about 4-5 casinos that I can sequence or shuffle track in. The rest of the time I am just counting and looking for other opportunities.

-Sonny-
 
Hi Sonny,

how many decks are you playing in those mentioned casinos where you are able to keep track?

Which method to you use? Key card?

I read the more decks the easier the keep track. Can you confirm that?
 
Mackhack said:
how many decks are you playing in those mentioned casinos where you are able to keep track?
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Either two or six, depending on the casino. The methods that I use are most effective against DD and 6D games.

Mackhack said:
Which method to you use? Key card?
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For sequencing I usually use a double-key method, although I may use a single-key method if I am also tracking the ace through the shuffle. For shuffle tracking I just use simple cutoff tracking or shuffle mapping (sometimes called “zone tracking”) described in my "imbeciles" series. It all depends on the casino. I'll try to get away with as much as I can based on their procedures.

Mackhack said:
I read the more decks the easier the keep track. Can you confirm that?
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It’s actually a toss-up. More decks makes it more difficult to sequence because there are more false key cards. However, the shuffles are usually simpler on the 6- and 8-deck games which makes them more susceptible. A single-deck game can easily be shuffled thoroughly (untrackable) with just a few moves while a 6-deck game will require much more work to mix the cards sufficiently. Sequencing becomes more difficult but also more likely to occur as you add decks. Being able to track the slug through the shuffle will allow you to reduce the number of false key cards greatly.

I’ll never forget the Western dealer who riffled the deck twice then held it out for me to cut. I almost sh@t myself! :gaga: He was obviously clueless but I sequenced that single-deck game for about 20 minutes before he left. I never did see that guy again. :( Other than that one anomaly I have mostly sequenced DD games and tracked 6D games. Those are the games that are the easiest for my strategies.

-Sonny-
 
zengrifter said:
No, because unlike hand shuffles there is no 'riffle' - cards are inserted randomly into the pack ustilizing an algorithm. zg
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for the automatic shuffle machine such as the md1 shufflemaster is the algorithm one that changes from shuffle to shuffle or is the algorithm the same mechanical process applied the same way shuffle after shuffle?
i mean if the same algorithm is applied each time that would lend an element of predictability to the results.

best regards,
mr fr0g :D
 
sagefr0g said:
for the automatic shuffle machine such as the md1 shufflemaster is the algorithm one that changes from shuffle to shuffle or is the algorithm the same mechanical process applied the same way shuffle after shuffle?
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The mechanical process is the same but there is a randomizing element involved. For example, Card A will not always be placed in Slot B. The RNG will put Card A in a different slot each time. The exact location of each card will be randomized within the limits of the machine. Without knowling those limitations we cannot predict the location of any cards.

-Sonny-
 
Sonny said:
The mechanical process is the same but there is a randomizing element involved. For example, Card A will not always be placed in Slot B. The RNG will put Card A in a different slot each time. The exact location of each card will be randomized within the limits of the machine. Without knowling those limitations we cannot predict the location of any cards.

-Sonny-
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the very day you posted the great explainations of shuffle tracking and i was starting to practice. don't you know my local joint installed the damm things on all the tables :flame:
thats how come i'm franticly looking for a way around the machines....
best regards,
mr fr0g :D
 
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