Ace tracking.

Discussion in 'Skilled Play - Card Counting, Advanced Strategies' started by ScottH, Jun 3, 2006.

  1. It does, but you need to use a Zen count (Unbalanced Zen will work, Unbalanced Zen Halves {-1,1,2,2,3,2,1,0,-1,-2} is ideal), and there can't be more than 2 hands in the game. This analysis I did to compare the 6:5 games to the shoe games in AC, turns out there isn't much difference for straight counting. But the 6:5 games there are very crowded (and all use autoshufflers) so it's not a worthwhile approach.
  2. Not unfortunately, 4D games are wonderful for single-key ace sequencing! Assuming they shuffle in a way amenable to sequencing.
  3. Mackhack

    Mackhack Well-Known Member


    who acutally in here does shuffle tracking or sequencing?

    Honestly, how many times did you really get (the) a ace which you predicted?
  4. Depends on the method used and the shuffle being attacked. Some games it's been as high as 20% or so. Other times it's indistinguishable from the normal rate of getting aces, just as it is when you are betting into a high count. Ace sequencing has variance and bankroll requirements just like counting does, only using different math and very different skills.
  5. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    On a good day its better that 20% (2D-2hands) overall I cant tell you for sure, but its often enough that I haven't given it up -- its an enhancement to the count for me. zg
  6. ScottH

    ScottH Well-Known Member

    What type of shuffle needs to be done in order to be able to track the aces?
  7. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

    The simpler the better. A shuffle that doesn't use many riffles and/or strips is ideal.

  8. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

    I have about 4-5 casinos that I can sequence or shuffle track in. The rest of the time I am just counting and looking for other opportunities.

  9. Mackhack

    Mackhack Well-Known Member

    Hi Sonny,

    how many decks are you playing in those mentioned casinos where you are able to keep track?

    Which method to you use? Key card?

    I read the more decks the easier the keep track. Can you confirm that?
  10. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

    Either two or six, depending on the casino. The methods that I use are most effective against DD and 6D games.

    For sequencing I usually use a double-key method, although I may use a single-key method if I am also tracking the ace through the shuffle. For shuffle tracking I just use simple cutoff tracking or shuffle mapping (sometimes called “zone tracking”) described in my "imbeciles" series. It all depends on the casino. I'll try to get away with as much as I can based on their procedures.

    It’s actually a toss-up. More decks makes it more difficult to sequence because there are more false key cards. However, the shuffles are usually simpler on the 6- and 8-deck games which makes them more susceptible. A single-deck game can easily be shuffled thoroughly (untrackable) with just a few moves while a 6-deck game will require much more work to mix the cards sufficiently. Sequencing becomes more difficult but also more likely to occur as you add decks. Being able to track the slug through the shuffle will allow you to reduce the number of false key cards greatly.

    I’ll never forget the Western dealer who riffled the deck twice then held it out for me to cut. I almost sh@t myself! :gaga: He was obviously clueless but I sequenced that single-deck game for about 20 minutes before he left. I never did see that guy again. :( Other than that one anomaly I have mostly sequenced DD games and tracked 6D games. Those are the games that are the easiest for my strategies.

  11. sagefr0g

    sagefr0g Well-Known Member

    for the automatic shuffle machine such as the md1 shufflemaster is the algorithm one that changes from shuffle to shuffle or is the algorithm the same mechanical process applied the same way shuffle after shuffle?
    i mean if the same algorithm is applied each time that would lend an element of predictability to the results.

    best regards,
    mr fr0g :D
  12. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

    The mechanical process is the same but there is a randomizing element involved. For example, Card A will not always be placed in Slot B. The RNG will put Card A in a different slot each time. The exact location of each card will be randomized within the limits of the machine. Without knowling those limitations we cannot predict the location of any cards.

  13. sagefr0g

    sagefr0g Well-Known Member

    the very day you posted the great explainations of shuffle tracking and i was starting to practice. don't you know my local joint installed the damm things on all the tables :flame:
    thats how come i'm franticly looking for a way around the machines....
    best regards,
    mr fr0g :D

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