Beyound Counting?????

A little bit of a tangent...
RJT - use of medical resources is different here in the US. In the UK, you guys have come to grips with the limited financial resources available for medical care. For example, those over 60 are denied dialysis because it's just too costly within your socialized system. Here, the norm is to prolong life, no matter what the cost and no matter how pitiful its quality.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but that assumes medical insurance?

RJT.

The uninsured can just show up at a hospital ER and cannot be denied treatment.

I take that to mean that it has to be an emergency before the uninsured are allowed treatment?

RJT.

That's the thing though, anyone can win if they see a hole card.

That's the thing though, anyone can win if they see a hole card.

So what's the best advice? Smoke and drink when you are young so it will stunt your growth. Hole carding is difficult when you're big and I look like a dead body slumped over the table when I try it.

Or I guess you can use the old wheelchair trick, but I'm not sure that I'm willing to cross that line. Ultimate justice, you know.

Using the wheelchair trick isn't quite as good in real life as in theory. Casinos are required to have handicapped tables that are much lower than standard tables. Any persons confined to a wheel chair will be playing at these tables, which due to the height of these special tables offer no extra sight advantage.

Besides if you were caught using a wheelchair for holecarding, not really needing the wheelchair for medical reasons, you would get no support from any agency or group that stands up for the rights of the handicapped. As a matter of fact they would help burn you for trying to exploit a fake handicap for selfish reasons. Maybe the next great plan will be to kidnap a kid with cancer, pretend its yours, and get a free trip to disneyland from The Make A Wish Foundation. I'm sure they'll be happy to back you once you get found out as fraud.

Besides if you were caught using a wheelchair for holecarding. . .

I do have to wonder though, how could you ever actually get CAUGHT hole-carding unless you are just comically obvious about it? I mean, there's no crime against reclining in your chair for comfort purposes and if the dealer is sloppy enough to flash their under-card then that's not your problem. . .

Using the wheelchair trick isn't quite as good in real life as in theory. Casinos are required to have handicapped tables that are much lower than standard tables. Any persons confined to a wheel chair will be playing at these tables, which due to the height of these special tables offer no extra sight advantage.

Besides if you were caught using a wheelchair for holecarding, not really needing the wheelchair for medical reasons, you would get no support from any agency or group that stands up for the rights of the handicapped. As a matter of fact they would help burn you for trying to exploit a fake handicap for selfish reasons. Maybe the next great plan will be to kidnap a kid with cancer, pretend its yours, and get a free trip to disneyland from The Make A Wish Foundation. I'm sure they'll be happy to back you once you get found out as fraud.

So would that be a Yes to trying to find the Book Beyound Counting or should I just go to a medical supply store and get a wheel chair

So would that be a Yes to trying to find the Book Beyound Counting or should I just go to a medical supply store and get a wheel chair

i dont know from personal experience but people that have read it have told me that it is not worth the price(hundreds of $$$) for MOST people. They say for $50 its worth it but not for $800 or even $300. But then again it sounds like it has some excellent information so it might be worth reading for the heck of it even if it doesnt help your game all that much.

Don't use a wheelchair. Find a table that you want to attack. Have you buddy grab the chair from spot one and take it somewhere (It dosen't matter where. People take chairs all the time from tables.) You then put your money in the spot and say "I need to go get a chair" You run over to Baccarat and grab a low chair and put it in your spot. It works.

I am so tired of hearing people coming up with these quasi-legal scams - and let's be clear about this people, they are scams - in an attempt to achieve something that you could achieve legitimately.
Why don't you just find a hand held game and start mucking? You're not really a kick in the teeth of cheating anyway and any good lawer would have a field day with this so if you are going to go down for cheating you may as well make it worth your while.
The casinos don't provide you with the lowered chairs on the blackjack tables, so engineering a situation where you get to use one will have implications.
Top this of the fact that it's not going to take them long to work out what you are doing and this is just asking for trouble.
If you are that interested in getting hole card information, how about just putting the work in and doing it by finding a weak dealer?

RJT.

For the vast majority of players it isn't going to be worth much. Most players don't take the time to master counting to a degree that will earn them money, so the discussions in BC will be pretty much worthless to them. If they can't apply counting effectively they certainly won't be successful with anything that requires more focus and dedication.
For the few who really are prepared to put the time and effort into perfecting their skills BC will be worth far more than the price they paid for it. But as i said, those people are few and far between.

RJT.

Actually, onebademf's technique is so ingenious I'm sorry that he posted it in an open forum. The casino provides chairs for patrons' use and the fact that you find one to be more comfortable than another isn't something that could ever be construed as "using a device." Players aren't even obliged to use a chair; you're welcome to play standing and I suppose if a high roller wanted to play kneeling on the floor they wouldn't push his bet back. What are they going to do, say he is using the carpet as a device?

Hey is a pet considered a device?
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