The new season

kewljason

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Finally the new season is here! And I'm not talking football. After Labor day, AC begins to thin out. Table minimums drop, at least during the weekdays and the ploppies can go back to playing the $10 tables, leaving more room to maneuver at the $25 tables. :) October will be even better, but September is a start. No more cooler, beach chairs, beach umbrella's and best of all fewer kids on the train.
 
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ChefJJ

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Amen, brotha! Can't wait to return next week after taking a whole summer away from the ocean paradise.

good luck :joker:
 
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It will be better in that respect, but we can count on AC shutting down most of the tables and keeping them as crowded as ever, with a smaller selection of good dealers.
 
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Ac

Someone on BJ21 posted that the casinos in AC are petitioning the NJCCC to permit them to close all their tables games daily from 4am until 12 noon - at least until next summer
 
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Mr. Francks said:
Someone on BJ21 posted that the casinos in AC are petitioning the NJCCC to permit them to close all their tables games daily from 4am until 12 noon - at least until next summer
What fools. But that's the way they do it in AC. They shut down so many tables at those hours they might as well all be closed if you are an AP looking to get into a profitable game.

They're so obsessed with slots, they just cannot bring themselves to believe their old slot players are all gone, sitting in front of even worse slots at converted racetracks, and they're never coming back. Or maybe they believe that the table games players will find the tables all closed or full, throw up their hands in frustration and start playing slots.
 

ChefJJ

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mr. Francks said:
someone on bj21 posted that the casinos in ac are petitioning the njccc to permit them to close all their tables games daily from 4am until 12 noon - at least until next summer
ouch!
 

shadroch

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#7
When gambling started in AC, it wasn't 24 hours. I'm not sure when they started the around the clock gaming, but perhaps they think less will bring in more. From what I understand, Bally wild west Annex shut down the table games months ago overnite during the week.
BTW- I can't find any source for this report so I'm dubious about it. You'd think the AC Press would be on a story this big.
 

nj45lady

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#8
Slots and Table Games

Well Auto Monkey to be honest, in the month of August I was so frustrated trying to get on any blackjack table that I DID start playing slots. I hit for over 6000 in the past 1.5 months and it IS helping my blackjack bankroll. What do you do stuck in AC for 3 days and nothing to do?

Monday the pit called Wild West from Ballys to reserve a Spanish 21 seat for me. I am hoping this weekend it is easier to sit down and play and maybe not feel like i am in China (no offense to anyone) but what happened to the regular players????
 
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nj45lady said:
Well Auto Monkey to be honest, in the month of August I was so frustrated trying to get on any blackjack table that I DID start playing slots. I hit for over 6000 in the past 1.5 months and it IS helping my blackjack bankroll. What do you do stuck in AC for 3 days and nothing to do?
Not play slots, unless you are an advantage slots player. You can backcount, you can Wong out of games, pretty much anything you have to do to get in a good count. Or you can learn to play VP for an advantage, if you need to play a machine.

nj45lady said:
Monday the pit called Wild West from Ballys to reserve a Spanish 21 seat for me. I am hoping this weekend it is easier to sit down and play and maybe not feel like i am in China (no offense to anyone) but what happened to the regular players????
I play SP21 too, and the WWW is one of the better places to play it. It is a game for foreigners for sure, most of whom are only playing it for the sidebet, which gives up a 3% house edge, and the way they play the main bet the HE can't be much less. At least at SP21 you don't have all the macho, mustachioed middle-aged men who believe they are blackjack experts and cuss and threaten you when you do something they wouldn't do.

At the Trump Plaza they moved the SP21 tables into the Asian game section outright. In case you haven't noticed, Caucasians have mostly outgrown gambling on the East Coast and what you have left are mostly people from cultures rife with superstition, addiction, and general poor planning.
 

ChefJJ

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Automatic Monkey said:
In case you haven't noticed, Caucasians have mostly outgrown gambling on the East Coast and what you have left are mostly people from cultures rife with superstition, addiction, and general poor planning.
I've definitely noticed that as one who speaks English, I've been the minority at many BJ tables in AC this year. Not the dice tables though, but it's probably just a matter of time.

good luck :joker:
 

Sero

Active Member
#11
Worth to go to AC to play BJ?

Are you guys sure that AC is worth to go to play BJ? Well, I'd say think again! AC rules are pretty pathetic and it's nearly impossible to find a place to play BJ, except Borgata. I went to AC many times, both in week and weekends, visited almost all casinos and played in every shifts but the rules are really hammering the players. I'm not going to lie, I saw some good games in one of my recent visits (the time trop offered 4D games) but it's going worse day by day.

First of all, the town is full of 8D games with the rules of H17, NS, NRA 6D/8D. There is no place to play BJ for someone who has an average bankroll. If you are a high-roller playing with a min of $50 or more, yes there is always games but how many of us do play with such min. It's a suicide, isn't it?

Second, no-mid-shoe entry games are proliferating. Even if you want to take risk and play, how are you gonna win without wonging-in or out in such games? A counter has a very little advantage in 8D games in play-all strategy which is not worth to bother, is it?

Lastly, as i mentioned above, Borgata is the only exception that has 6D games with some decent rules but it's either to crowded or the # of 6D games are less.

Based on all these facts I encountered, I really doubt that winning at BJ with a limited BR in AC is nearly impossible. I know winning at BJ with a limited BR is not easy in anywhere but at least you have slightly better chance which can change everything in long term. I appreciate your comments and critics on this topic and will take any advice you may offer.
 

kewljason

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Sero said:
Are you guys sure that AC is worth to go to play BJ? Well, I'd say think again! AC rules are pretty pathetic and it's nearly impossible to find a place to play BJ, except Borgata. I went to AC many times, both in week and weekends, visited almost all casinos and played in every shifts but the rules are really hammering the players. I'm not going to lie, I saw some good games in one of my recent visits (the time trop offered 4D games) but it's going worse day by day.

First of all, the town is full of 8D games with the rules of H17, NS, NRA 6D/8D. There is no place to play BJ for someone who has an average bankroll. If you are a high-roller playing with a min of $50 or more, yes there is always games but how many of us do play with such min. It's a suicide, isn't it?

Second, no-mid-shoe entry games are proliferating. Even if you want to take risk and play, how are you gonna win without wonging-in or out in such games? A counter has a very little advantage in 8D games in play-all strategy which is not worth to bother, is it?

Lastly, as i mentioned above, Borgata is the only exception that has 6D games with some decent rules but it's either to crowded or the # of 6D games are less.

Based on all these facts I encountered, I really doubt that winning at BJ with a limited BR in AC is nearly impossible. I know winning at BJ with a limited BR is not easy in anywhere but at least you have slightly better chance which can change everything in long term. I appreciate your comments and critics on this topic and will take any advice you may offer.
No doubt the rules and conditions in AC are not good, but to say it is impossible to find a place to play other than Borgata is incorrect. There are several casinos that still over S17 games. More important, there are a few places that offer decent penetration, although even in the good locations it varies greatly from dealer to dealer. There are a few places that you can still enter mid shoe and even if you can't, that doesn't mean you have to play all. Play off the top of shoe and leave when the count goes south. Admittedly, you are correct in that many of these games are not at the low level tables, although currently there are decent (by AC standards) playable games even at low stakes at two boardwalk casinos that are as good, if not better than borgata. You just have to scout around and find these games, and they may change from week to week.
 

Sero

Active Member
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kewljason said:
No doubt the rules and conditions in AC are not good, but to say it is impossible to find a place to play other than Borgata is incorrect. There are several casinos that still over S17 games. More important, there are a few places that offer decent penetration, although even in the good locations it varies greatly from dealer to dealer. There are a few places that you can still enter mid shoe and even if you can't, that doesn't mean you have to play all. Play off the top of shoe and leave when the count goes south. Admittedly, you are correct in that many of these games are not at the low level tables, although currently there are decent (by AC standards) playable games even at low stakes at two boardwalk casinos that are as good, if not better than borgata. You just have to scout around and find these games, and they may change from week to week.
I said nearly impossible, not impossible :)
 
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Rules for playing blackjack in AC

Rule #1- Look for a game with good penetration.

Rule #2- If you can't find a game with good penetration, look for a game with good penetration.

Rule #3- If you find a 6D, S17 game with lousy penetration, look for a game with good penetration.

Rule #4- If you find a 8D, H17 game with good penetration, you no longer have to look for a game with good penetration, because now you have a game with good penetration.

Clear? :grin:
 
#15
AC Conditions

Quite candidly, I found the playing conditions in AC this summer to be more favorable than they have been in a while. I have been able to find 80%+ penetration in many places, both on the main floor and in HL areas. As KewlJason mentioned, it is very dealer dependent. Many of the casinos have cut back on the amount of supervision in their pits and this has made it easier to back count and spread heavily on the main floor without much of any heat. I was playing in one place recently that had only one supervisor covering two (small) pits of tables. The dealers were just yelling out buy-ins and color-ups. I also have experienced a high number of dealer mis-pays in AC recently. Several weeks ago a dealer kept drawing right past a multi-card soft 21 to bust and paid my $300 bet. During my last trip there I was twice paid on pushes and once paid 1 1/2 times my bet on a twenty.

Although it does take a lot of walking and scouting, I have found a lot of opportunity there recently.
 

nottooshabby

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Mr. Francks said:
Quite candidly, I found the playing conditions in AC this summer to be more favorable than they have been in a while. I have been able to find 80%+ penetration in many places, both on the main floor and in HL areas. As KewlJason mentioned, it is very dealer dependent. Many of the casinos have cut back on the amount of supervision in their pits and this has made it easier to back count and spread heavily on the main floor without much of any heat. I was playing in one place recently that had only one supervisor covering two (small) pits of tables. The dealers were just yelling out buy-ins and color-ups. I also have experienced a high number of dealer mis-pays in AC recently. Several weeks ago a dealer kept drawing right past a multi-card soft 21 to bust and paid my $300 bet. During my last trip there I was twice paid on pushes and once paid 1 1/2 times my bet on a twenty.

Although it does take a lot of walking and scouting, I have found a lot of opportunity there recently.
Agree with Mr. Francks . . . able to find consistently >75% pen at nearly a half-dozen different stores over Labor Day weekend.
 
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Dealers' intentional errors

Mr. Francks said:
Quite candidly, I found the playing conditions in AC this summer to be more favorable than they have been in a while. I have been able to find 80%+ penetration in many places, both on the main floor and in HL areas. As KewlJason mentioned, it is very dealer dependent. Many of the casinos have cut back on the amount of supervision in their pits and this has made it easier to back count and spread heavily on the main floor without much of any heat. I was playing in one place recently that had only one supervisor covering two (small) pits of tables. The dealers were just yelling out buy-ins and color-ups. I also have experienced a high number of dealer mis-pays in AC recently. Several weeks ago a dealer kept drawing right past a multi-card soft 21 to bust and paid my $300 bet. During my last trip there I was twice paid on pushes and once paid 1 1/2 times my bet on a twenty.Although it does take a lot of walking and scouting, I have found a lot of opportunity there recently.
Dealers' intentional errors have made APs laugh all the way to their banks! No way you say. Hey here is a proof: XYZ Casino's holding percentage had been 13% --- but recently it's 5%! Disgruntled dealers have attempted to give away chips like candies. Why you ask? Look at the "NoContractNoPeace" photo, and you will get your answer.
 

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Thunder

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I haven't had any dealer errors in my favor in quite a long time. Must have something to do with the fact that I'm playing at classier joints.
 
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