Hot Action Blackjack

The clostest casino to me has hot action BJ It has 6 deck Continuous shuffler. Each deck had 54 cards two extra cards are jokers. If you get two jokers off the deal you get paid 4:1. They call that a super natural. Otherwise a joker counts as a two if you don't get a supernatural. You get two suited aces pays 2:1. Blackjack pays 6:5. Its a player banked game. You can be a dealer when its your turn two times in a row. You pay 2$ to be dealer if someone is betting 100$+ if not its one dollar. If your a player you have to pay 50 cents a hand along with your bet. You can spilt any card or double down anything except 12-20. There a couple other rules that wouldn't have much effect on BS. I was trying to find a way to minimize the losses when I'm the player. Then bet big when i'm player/dealer. Is there a way to create a new BS for this based on having two extra twos in each deck? When I'm the dealer I came up with having over a 3% advantage. I'm not sure for when I'm the player what the disadvantage is.

thank you

Sounds the the player disadvantage is atrocious. I have no idea though how to figure out the advantage to playing as banker or how to play that game effectively (assuming it can be done which I highly doubt).

All the rules?

Hi - if you list all the rules I might be able to come up with an EV and BS for the usual EV maximizing strategy. I can't do a loss minimizing strategy though.

Thank you I've been looking everywhere.
Here are all the rules. 6 Decks each deck has 54 cards two extra jokers they count as two's except if you get Two Jokers off the draw then they are a super natural which pays 4:1. Two suited aces pays 2:1. Blackjack pays 6:5. Hit on soft 17, double down on anything except hard 12-20,You can spilt anything, No surrender. Player banked game. It rotates around the table from first base who will be the dealer. If the player doesn't want to be they can pass it on. You can be the dealer two times in a row if you choose. If your the dealer you have to put up 2$ if someone is betting over a 100$ if not it's 1$. If your the player you have to pay 50 Cents each hand with your bet. Being the dealer you dont' have to pay out extra if someone doubles, gets blackjack ect. You can only loose how much you bet originally.

It pretty much sounds like a horrible game, much worse then regular blackjack. I could be wrong though...its happened before!

Its a pretty bad game for when your the player. When I'm the dealer I estimated from 3.5-4% advantage if they players knew BS for the game Most people don't know BS.

Ah, but you have to pay 1 percent to be the dealer it sounded like.

Its fixed amount you have to pay. Only changes is from $1 to 2. I saw $1000 bet. still only 2$ charge.

I don't suppose the dealer gets the fifty cent ante,do they?Adding 50% more twos is as bad as them taking away 25% of the tens in Spanglish 21.

50 cent only for players.

The 50 Cents goes to the house.

I still doubt the game could be advantageous to a player. Mikeaber played those types of crap games before so he could tell you if there is a way to make any money.

Only when you are the dealer, and there's enough player action to offset the $1.00 house rake. zg

I don't think that the rake mentioned in this thread is synonomous with that in the crap games in OK. Maybe. I do know that that rake will not harm your EV, it will utterly Destroy it if you are not making significantly large bets. Do the math! How much of a percentage of your bet does that $.50 represent? How many hands an hour are you playing? It is VERY significant.

I planned on making big bets not when I'm the player just the dealer. If I could find a BS for being the player in this game. I Could minimize my losses. Being the dealer is were I will make my money.

Here's the strategy for a shoe with 12 extra 2's in it. In the process of updating my CA I'm running into trouble forcing the strategy with the bonus rules but when I get that fixed eventually I'll post the EVs. The EV without the AA and JJ bonus is about -2.6%

Hi MGP! Nice to see you here! I didn't notice your initial post a while back. Welcome aboard.

Hi Ken,

I like the site I didn't know you had a forum here until I saw a link in a post either on ap or bj21. Thanks for having me and glad to see your post

Sincerely,
MGP

Ken - The forum should have more prominent announcement in the front page! zg

When I went back to the casino I applied the bs and took into account the the bad disadvantage of the player. What do you guys think of these estimates when you are the dealer if the player knows the bs for the game you would have a 5.5- 6% advantage before the antes, most the players that played when I was there didnt come close to bs. Since you don't have to pay out DD,splits or any of the extra payouts just even money. I just added those to 2.6%. I was able to come up with a betting strategy in this player banked game to come out ahead without cc. I dont' believe in betting strategies for normal Blackjack. I have been able to learn more about this game each time I go back since, their webpage and the pamplet they hand out about the rules are pretty basic. They leave alot rules out. I only learned most of them by repeatedly asking questions. With max 8 player positions. Average of about 6-8 playing at a time. It rotates around the table each person can be the banker two in a row in their spot. If their neigboor agrees to go in with them they can also bank with the person next to them. Yo can bank up 6, 8 times in row. In worse case scenario. If I banked 6 times. and all other 5 players wanted to bank. I would have to be player 10 Times to the 6 having dealers cards. Usually about little less than half the table doesn't likes to bank in my expierence. This is only from 6 Hours of observation. The casino has CSM, so They can't accuse me of card couting. Everytime I'm the player I just bet $5. When I'm the dealer I bet 100$. even with the antes I bet high enough ,so they don't matter as much. After two playing sessions im up $650. Can they back me off if I keep winning from a betting strategy? this betting strategy is kind of in theory like CC just bet accordignly to your adv, disadvantage. I was going to have one of my friends go to the casino with me. This way I could bank more, because some people don't like banking with other people, some get mad if you win and try to take your winnings out. They pretty much think its best if your win first time bet double the second time. It's not to better to vary bets just because you won. When you bank with someone the outcome isn't any diffrent if they put in as much as yourself. With a friend we could bet the same amount each time. Could they bar us for both betting 5-10$ when we are the player. Both bet 80-100 when we are in the bank/ dealer? I Was thinking of going back to back days since, I'm worried they will see their games flaw and change it before I really can make bank.What do you guys think about this? This casino is tiny only two BJ tables its a size of decent size house. Hard to blend in.

Thank you Again MGP and everyone who has giving me input on this before