BlackJack : i-Table
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zengrifter
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Which can be knocked out, for comp-counters as well, with an RFID-zapper. zg
FLASH1296
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Make sure you have bail money in your shoes.
L.O.L.
The better casinos all have installed hi-tech equipment that monitors transponders, video transmitters, etc. Their silent alarms goes off and large rent-a-cops grab you by the elbows, yank you out of your chair, and drag your ass to a back-room where you are detained while you try to worm your way out of jamming their RFID signals. You try not to piss yourself while the security goons call the F.B.I. and tell them that you had been using what looks to them like a remote bomb detonator.
L.O.L.
L.O.L.
The better casinos all have installed hi-tech equipment that monitors transponders, video transmitters, etc. Their silent alarms goes off and large rent-a-cops grab you by the elbows, yank you out of your chair, and drag your ass to a back-room where you are detained while you try to worm your way out of jamming their RFID signals. You try not to piss yourself while the security goons call the F.B.I. and tell them that you had been using what looks to them like a remote bomb detonator.
L.O.L.
Blue Efficacy
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How? It uses real cards. Does it automatically read them like Mindplay?
Blue Efficacy
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I read the article, and yes it does.
ihate17
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As long as the system is visible and word gets out
If the system is visible on the tables, people will refuse to play on it and will go to competing casinos that do not have it.
As long as word gets out that the devious contraption knows the exact order of every card in the shoe (as Mindplay did) and can be used by the casino to cheat (as the El Dorado in Reno did with Mindplay), people will refuse to play on it and will go to competing casinos that do not have it.
In these cases it will be more money mis-spent by soon to be fired idiot casino managers
Now if you operate an isolated casino with enough addicted gamblers to fill your tables it could very well work.
It is shufflemasters business to sell these things to casinos based upon un-proven lies that it will increase profits and reduce payroll and they will keep coming up with them till (and this will NEVER EVER POSSIBLE HAPPEN) casinos stop making decisions based upon their two overpowering traits----GREED and PARANOIA!
ihate17 (do not card for shuffle master either)
If the system is visible on the tables, people will refuse to play on it and will go to competing casinos that do not have it.
As long as word gets out that the devious contraption knows the exact order of every card in the shoe (as Mindplay did) and can be used by the casino to cheat (as the El Dorado in Reno did with Mindplay), people will refuse to play on it and will go to competing casinos that do not have it.
In these cases it will be more money mis-spent by soon to be fired idiot casino managers
Now if you operate an isolated casino with enough addicted gamblers to fill your tables it could very well work.
It is shufflemasters business to sell these things to casinos based upon un-proven lies that it will increase profits and reduce payroll and they will keep coming up with them till (and this will NEVER EVER POSSIBLE HAPPEN) casinos stop making decisions based upon their two overpowering traits----GREED and PARANOIA!
ihate17 (do not card for shuffle master either)
ihate17
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Check posts from about 18 months ago on bj21.com
Flash: Here is some of what I remember. An attorney from California tried to sue El Dorado, Bally-Alliance Gaming and the Nevada Gaming Board. He was not permitted to sue the board but the board stepped in and mandated an 8 hand delay of live Mindplay information to the pit, which obviously ended El Dorado's cheating on single deck.
What they were doing was whenever the count was positive the El Dorado would shuffle up early but whenever the count was negative they would deal as deeply as they could into the deck.
Only a counter would notice this but in fact since a positive deck favors all players they were changing the natural outcome of the game, in other words cheating.
Not too long after the ruling by the gaming board, Mindplay was removed from El Dorado.
ihate17
Flash: Here is some of what I remember. An attorney from California tried to sue El Dorado, Bally-Alliance Gaming and the Nevada Gaming Board. He was not permitted to sue the board but the board stepped in and mandated an 8 hand delay of live Mindplay information to the pit, which obviously ended El Dorado's cheating on single deck.
What they were doing was whenever the count was positive the El Dorado would shuffle up early but whenever the count was negative they would deal as deeply as they could into the deck.
Only a counter would notice this but in fact since a positive deck favors all players they were changing the natural outcome of the game, in other words cheating.
Not too long after the ruling by the gaming board, Mindplay was removed from El Dorado.
ihate17
ihate17
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Flash
If you are a green chip member, go to green chip general and check posts from late September 2007, I can not seem to attach them. Perhaps ZG (he seems to be the attachment expert can do this for you if you are not a greenchip member.
ihate17
Flash
If you are a green chip member, go to green chip general and check posts from late September 2007, I can not seem to attach them. Perhaps ZG (he seems to be the attachment expert can do this for you if you are not a greenchip member.
ihate17
i played the el dorado several times with these tables, and at the time didnt know what they were. When i asked the dealers just said it was to make sure the cards were all there. I use to play there but after seeing what they are used for i doubt ill play there anymore, even though they are gone
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ihate17
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The merit is:
There merit is in the fact that given real time count information the El Dorado could have shuffled early when the count favored the players. This person says they did but that is not important. The fact that they could have because of the info from Mindplay gives the suit perhaps no merit but made the gaming board get off their fat asses and actually do something for players.
The truth is that Mindplay as sent from the manufacturer should have been declared an illegal cheating device by the gaming board but we all know who they really work for.
ihate17
There merit is in the fact that given real time count information the El Dorado could have shuffled early when the count favored the players. This person says they did but that is not important. The fact that they could have because of the info from Mindplay gives the suit perhaps no merit but made the gaming board get off their fat asses and actually do something for players.
The truth is that Mindplay as sent from the manufacturer should have been declared an illegal cheating device by the gaming board but we all know who they really work for.
ihate17
ihate17
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Took the Hilton for about 30 grand
Once upon a time the Hilton (Las Vegas) had about the best blackjack in town and very crowded pits of players. Then some since fired genius decided that he would install Mindplay21 in their casino so he could fire some pit and eye types, cut customer comps and perhaps catch a few pesky cardcounters.
The result of this I usually refer to as casino suicide. Players hated the device even if they did not understand what it did. They fled to other casinos. One pit actually looked up the patten application for Mindplay and read that it's two main benifits to the casino was the reduction in personel and reduction in comps! Reduction in personel, perhaps that is why it was always breaking down at the Hilton.
Well, it catches cardcounters. Perhaps the lone amatuer cardcounter was often busted on these things but it had absolutely no defense against teams of any size and my neice and I took it for almost 30 grand one weekend as just a two person team. They might have caught on to us before Mindplay but once in use they depended on it and that was their mistake.
ihate17
Once upon a time the Hilton (Las Vegas) had about the best blackjack in town and very crowded pits of players. Then some since fired genius decided that he would install Mindplay21 in their casino so he could fire some pit and eye types, cut customer comps and perhaps catch a few pesky cardcounters.
The result of this I usually refer to as casino suicide. Players hated the device even if they did not understand what it did. They fled to other casinos. One pit actually looked up the patten application for Mindplay and read that it's two main benifits to the casino was the reduction in personel and reduction in comps! Reduction in personel, perhaps that is why it was always breaking down at the Hilton.
Well, it catches cardcounters. Perhaps the lone amatuer cardcounter was often busted on these things but it had absolutely no defense against teams of any size and my neice and I took it for almost 30 grand one weekend as just a two person team. They might have caught on to us before Mindplay but once in use they depended on it and that was their mistake.
ihate17