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Mr.M said:
Never heard of that, are you sure this is legit? I need to ask someone still in the business if this true. I have never heard of that, I have been out since 07 so maybe its something new. I would guess its another bullshit casino lie to make people believe, but I will look into it.
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It's actually very plausible that RFID chips are put into high denomination chips. It may even be cost effective to put them in chips as low as $5.

For example, in my field (chemistry), RFID chips are used to tag polyethylene plates that need to be sorted. They're tiny (~1 sq. mm), don't require power, can be detected through a variety of materials, mass produced by the millions/billions, and pretty cheap. Putting them into chips is a small logical step from what is already done all over the pharmaceutical industry.
 
RFID chips have been in place for a long time at places like the WYNN.

If you are ever in Las Vegas, go over to Stanford Wong's Pi Yee Press.

There you can see one on display. A $25 RFID chip from The Wynn.

It was smashed open so that you can se the internal circuitry.


 
Wynn is definitely worth playing, if for no other reason than they make the overpaid dealers share their tips with the underpaid PCs.
 
subtle hints

Well Mr.M I do appreciate your presence on this site and look forward to any insight into the world of survelliance. I do have a sorted question on initial reponse to a suspected counter. I have been more or less warned to watch myself in a vegas casino playing bj. I was up 25 units on a low end table and started getting some eyeballs. The pit asked me to jump up my bets for comps which I replied give me a reason to go higher. The dealer was the one who warned me to be careful of what you wish for. Would you care to comment on a situation like this. blackchipjim
 
blackchipjim said:
Well Mr.M I do appreciate your presence on this site and look forward to any insight into the world of survelliance. I do have a sorted question on initial reponse to a suspected counter. I have been more or less warned to watch myself in a vegas casino playing bj. I was up 25 units on a low end table and started getting some eyeballs. The pit asked me to jump up my bets for comps which I replied give me a reason to go higher. The dealer was the one who warned me to be careful of what you wish for. Would you care to comment on a situation like this. blackchipjim
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Sounds like a sweat joint. I would just pollitely tell play as dumb as you can. Sounds like like you should stay away from a sweaty ass casino like that. I have never heard of that, did they suspect you were counting? I am wondering why they didn't just ask you to leave.
 
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I would suspect that my camo was good enough to fool them they knew who I was because I was staying at a sister store of their's. This wasn't a sweat joint but a good place to play with good rules and a fair game. I think they didn't want to start a scene with the other patrons looking on considering we have stayed at their store before and have players cards. I'm the type to appear that nothing is going on and will get in the walk behinders face and chat with them too if it calls for it. Of course I have been mistaken for some famous people before and that may have alot to do with how they treat me. blackchipjim
 
When you were in surveillance, how often did you guys actually catch an AP or cheat? Was it a "big deal" or a routine occurrence.?
 
EasyRhino said:
When you were in surveillance, how often did you guys actually catch an AP or cheat? Was it a "big deal" or a routine occurrence.?
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With the pits help, maybe 1 or 2 a week average. Not that many cheats. Half of them were caught by face alone, not by watching the game.
 
Hmm, darn, I don't feel like a unique snowflake any more.

Did you guys ever spot someone who probably THOUGHT they were counting, but were doing it wrong enough where you let them keep playing?
 


ALL Pit Critters know that Card Counters are nearly ALL in their early to mid 20's. The Pros are mostly old dudes in their 50's and 60's; but those who are new to Card Counting are rather young.

99% of all novices will fail in their card counting endeavors, so they will be long gone from the casino scene before they turn 30.

Most Card Counters try to avoid fitting the stereotyped description of a Card Counter. Their ages they cannot alter, but their behavior and dress, etc. can be modified.


 
EasyRhino said:
Hmm, darn, I don't feel like a unique snowflake any more.

Did you guys ever spot someone who probably THOUGHT they were counting, but were doing it wrong enough where you let them keep playing?
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Yes, but if they were a lifetime loser, they could count there heart out.
 
UncrownedKing said:
That's a pretty high percentage. What's the reason?
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Failure to maintain a proper bankroll and disillusionment when they realize its a grind are major causes.Another is as you gain years in the workplace, your income generally goes up and your free time goes down, especially if you marry and have kids. Most of my friends that are family men are lucky to get a couple of hours every few weeks to do anything with their friends, let alone count cards in a casino.
 
Forewarned is forearmed

Uncrowned KIng asked what is the reason for the 99% failure rate that I stated.

Firstly, I imagine that it is much higher than 99%.

Every year hundreds of thousands of people read a book or two and/or they
troll sites such as these in a futile attempt to "make it" as C.C.'s

They all imagine that it is all as simple as what they have read.
Being a serious card counter is heavily nuanced. There are quite
a lot of subtleties that it takes a lot of experience to even begin to appreciate.

Author's of books cannot expect to stifle the sales of their own books
by telling you on page one that you are unlikely to do anything other
than lose your money whilst becoming disillusioned and frustrated with BJ.
But that is the reality of the endeavor.

It takes extreme dedication, fine emotional equanimity, a detached attitude regarding money,
a willingness to be an "outlaw", [that is to live a rather unconventional life], a huge bankroll, etc.

The "bottom line", as it were, is that if one expects to be a weekend warrior and "crush" the game,
it aint goin' to happen; at least not over the long run.

Forewarned is forearmed.
 
This is an interesting thread,

I agree with Flash in the stereotypical cardcounter and that most dry up before they are 30. I don't like to call them failures.

I would concur that most are out by the time they are 30. 99% is just a number but it seems like a good one. Don't be discouraged I don't think 99% fail but they just move on. They have jobs, families, new hobbies etc. Because they move on in life I wouldn't call them failed card counters, they just retire, early.

Making money at casinos is very, very tedious. It requires much time and accessable cash if you want to be a pro or make serious money. Time and cash is what alot of people don't have.

Assuming 99% attrition, I would assume 90% of that is players fading out for personal reasons. The majority of the rest would be bank management. I would assume someone trying to get into AP would overbet at a disadvantage and underbet when at an advantage. It takes balls to push your own money out there.
 
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