Wonging out in a 2D game
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Blue Efficacy
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If you wong out too frequently from DD you're liable to get tossed. It's quite obvious to anyone paying attention to you.
For 2 deck, me, personally, I take my legit bathroom breaks or trips to the beverage dispenser when the count happens to be bad. If I am not due for one of those breaks, that's what index play is for.
For 2 deck, me, personally, I take my legit bathroom breaks or trips to the beverage dispenser when the count happens to be bad. If I am not due for one of those breaks, that's what index play is for.
aslan
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I never wong out of a 2-deck game, but it is important to select a game with good rules and pen, especially where you can't wong in. But then I'm no expert like some here--it's just what works for me.
Yeah I figured it'd draw quite a bit of heat. But I play in a smaller casino where the pit bosses are pretty good friends, and not that smart ha.
On a side note would you guys rather play 6D DOA hit s17 no surrender about 75%
or 2D double on 9,10,11 no double on split aces hit s17 no surrender 75%pen but suited blackjack pays 2:1
pretty new to this. still just running sims and stuff, so sorry for being a noobie.
On a side note would you guys rather play 6D DOA hit s17 no surrender about 75%
or 2D double on 9,10,11 no double on split aces hit s17 no surrender 75%pen but suited blackjack pays 2:1
pretty new to this. still just running sims and stuff, so sorry for being a noobie.
1357111317
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Thats not even a question! That DD game is dam good with that 2:1 on suited BJ. Protect that DD game with your life. You have the advantage off the top.
ihate17
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Look at some of the other people at your table
People will take the obvious restroom break but they will also get cell phone calls, need to find their wife, see a friend nearby and go to talk to him, leave a message for a host, lose a couple of hands in a row, and a bunch of other stuff that can cause them to sit out.
I think most of us can wong out of more DD games than we do but if whatever business you seem to be taking care of always ends with the shuffle, here is where you are bringing attention to yourself. Since it is DD and a new shuffle is only a few minutes away, I will often not only miss the rest of the stack I leave on but also miss the next one. You can come into the next one mid way, try to place a bet (you are a novice and do not know it is no mid shoe) and just wait a couple of hands.
If you always return for the next stack someone will correctly figure that you planned it that way.
For the comp hustlers amongst you, you might get a little more time credited with this also.
ihate17
People will take the obvious restroom break but they will also get cell phone calls, need to find their wife, see a friend nearby and go to talk to him, leave a message for a host, lose a couple of hands in a row, and a bunch of other stuff that can cause them to sit out.
I think most of us can wong out of more DD games than we do but if whatever business you seem to be taking care of always ends with the shuffle, here is where you are bringing attention to yourself. Since it is DD and a new shuffle is only a few minutes away, I will often not only miss the rest of the stack I leave on but also miss the next one. You can come into the next one mid way, try to place a bet (you are a novice and do not know it is no mid shoe) and just wait a couple of hands.
If you always return for the next stack someone will correctly figure that you planned it that way.
For the comp hustlers amongst you, you might get a little more time credited with this also.
ihate17
sagefr0g
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sure you can wong out of DD or any other game.
bathroom break, smoke break, just po'd break, superstition break, what ever and why not. and there is nothing in the world that says you can't take your sweet time about it, patient and on the prowl, ready to strike but not wasting energy. does the queen of the jungle spend all her time on the chase? nope, she only has so much opportunity and so much strength and energy, she conserves it and uses it wisely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kXP27vp3o8
the other thing is the mental mind set of ' i got to play, play, play', maybe just me but i see it as a big mistake when you figure your probable spread limitations and the long run percentage of time your likely to spend at a disadvantage from the perspective of true count frequencies.
the idea of ' i got to play, play, play' should be when one has an advantage, otherwise chill out man. so you might be fretting over 'time wasted' getting another seat, still that time is of more value than playing a disadvantage. you will get a seat and another chance at taking your shots. patience, enjoy your self, magnificent predator that you are, then when the time is right, pounce. it's what you do, it's in your nature, it's how it works, don't sweat it.
bathroom break, smoke break, just po'd break, superstition break, what ever and why not. and there is nothing in the world that says you can't take your sweet time about it, patient and on the prowl, ready to strike but not wasting energy. does the queen of the jungle spend all her time on the chase? nope, she only has so much opportunity and so much strength and energy, she conserves it and uses it wisely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kXP27vp3o8
the other thing is the mental mind set of ' i got to play, play, play', maybe just me but i see it as a big mistake when you figure your probable spread limitations and the long run percentage of time your likely to spend at a disadvantage from the perspective of true count frequencies.
the idea of ' i got to play, play, play' should be when one has an advantage, otherwise chill out man. so you might be fretting over 'time wasted' getting another seat, still that time is of more value than playing a disadvantage. you will get a seat and another chance at taking your shots. patience, enjoy your self, magnificent predator that you are, then when the time is right, pounce. it's what you do, it's in your nature, it's how it works, don't sweat it.
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oh i also forgot if you get 777 its an extra fifty dollars.
and suited 678 is 100 dollars.
so yeah whats the edge then if anyone knows?
they hit the soft 17s.
not sure if i said that earlier either heh.
Also since you guys agree that wonging out is do-able. what should i wait for the count to be at in 2D games using hi lo before i go to the "bathroom"?
oh and one more thing this 2D game makes me pay a 25cent ante. where as I can play the same 2D rules at another casino but not with the suited bj 2:1
and suited 678 is 100 dollars.
so yeah whats the edge then if anyone knows?
they hit the soft 17s.
not sure if i said that earlier either heh.
Also since you guys agree that wonging out is do-able. what should i wait for the count to be at in 2D games using hi lo before i go to the "bathroom"?
oh and one more thing this 2D game makes me pay a 25cent ante. where as I can play the same 2D rules at another casino but not with the suited bj 2:1
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creeping panther
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Care to explain.....
creeping panther
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Blue Efficacy
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Hmm, the ante might kill it.
FLASH1296
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Paying 25 cents per hand certainly makes the game unplayable.
In a normal casino situation wonging-out of DD games is not really feasible.
You can get a way with it once in awhile, but otherwise, you are simply asking to be barred.
The best way to play DD is to use a Play-All approach with a count that is powerful
and arm yourself with a lot of Indices for use at negative True Counts.
Hi-Opt II is the count of choice for DD games.
1357111317
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Ah I was unaware of the 25 cent ante when I posted this. Would you not agree though that without the ante that game is an amazing game? Player advantage off the top?
1357111317
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You missed the 2:1 suited BJ payout. That takes .53% off the house edge, which more than makes up for H17 and reduced doubling.
Don't bother THE FLASH with mere details like that.
I much prefer his admitted guesses, without looking anything up at all - go figure- in bold, large, colored fonts.
Sh*t never looked so good
DD, D9, EARLY surrender, S17 and suited BJ pays 2:1 is almost a 1% (~.88) player edge off the top.
Edit: Assumed DAS.
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