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bj21abc

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I am trying to sim an insurance sidebet (rule is you can insure any card from 7 - A against the hole card being a 10 or face).

Would appreciate any advice about how to set this up - have not managed to do so yet ....

Thanks

D.
 
bj21abc said:
I am trying to sim an insurance sidebet (rule is you can insure any card from 7 - A against the hole card being a 10 or face)

Would appreciate any advice about how to set this up - have not managed to do so yet ....

Thanks

D.
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Hmm. Easy enough to sim a bet that the hole-card is a ten or face. Question is, how do you set it to bet only when there is an upcard of 7-A? This should work:

Set Side bet 1 to bet 1 unit all other side bets bet 0 units.
Side Bets 1-5. Always pay it back if the dealer upcard is 2-6. This would nullify the bet if the card is not 7-A.
Side Bets 6-10. Pay the bonus if the upcard is 7-A and the downcard is any ten.

Set "Side bets are merged."

Once the sim determines the TC needed for the side bet to be profitable, you can set Side Bet 1 to only bet at that count.

I think I'll add a feature to allow Upcard>= or <= to make this easier in future.
 
So you mean Side Bet 1, I define as a 1.0 bet, with a zero payoff.

Then side bets 2-6 I define as 0 bet, with a 1.0 payoff for 2/3/4/5/6-any
to return the "phantom bet".

And for 7-10 0 bet, but with a 2.0 payoff for 7/8/9/X-X.

Is that correct ?

D.
 
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Set Side bet 1 to bet 1 unit and all others to bet 0.
Side Bets 1-5. Dealer upcard is 2-6. Any downcard. Pay 1:1.
Side Bets 6-10. Pay the bonus if the upcard is 7-A and the downcard is X.
 
For a bonus, yes. For a side bet, there is an extra bet. Look in the library for sample side bets.
 
This doesn't really make sense. If I set side bet one to bet 1 unit and side bets merged, the side bets option disappears for all side bets above 1 in any case.

If any of the 2-6 side bets win then you get an even money payoff -
but you should be getting a push, not a payoff.

Perhaps Side bet 1 that hole card is an X, paying 2:1
and then Side bets 2-6 that would pay -2:1 for dealer upcards of 2 - 6.

Does that make sense ?
 
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You have a side bet of 1. But you can't make the side bet when the upcard is 2-6. So, you have upcards of 2-6 pay back the unit. This nullifies the bet for 2-6, as if it didn't occur. That's a push.
 
QFIT said:
You have a side bet of 1. But you can't make the side bet when the upcard is 2-6. So, you have upcards of 2-6 pay back the unit. This nullifies the bet for 2-6, as if it didn't occur. That's a push.
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This is the part I am still having a problem with.

Side bet 1 means that I will always bet 1 unit, only. Merging the side bets means that I get a payoff for any of the merged side bets, still at the cost of my original 1 unit bet.

Setting the payoff at 1:1 (upcard 2-6) will give me a win. My cost is the original 1 unit bet, and at a 1:1 payoff I will receive 2 units back.
 
Sorry, you're right. Set the payoff to 0 for upcards of 2-6. Also, make sure you set DD and splits count and the First two cards options.
 
Not going well

Well... we have a problem here.

I began by defining 10 side bets: side bet 1 was upcard 2 and any downcard, payoff 0:1 - did the same for all upcards. This worked as it should, giving me a zero (no win/loss) result.

1. I then set the A sidebet to upcard A downcard X payoff 2.0:
this gave a more or less as expected result (although total win should have mirrored insurance which it did not - about 10% off)

2. If I try to do the same with any other upcard (eg 9) I get negative EV - whearas the results should be identical to the A sidebet.

Any ideas ?
 

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Set 2 through 6 to 0:0 payoff,and upcard. 7 through ace 2:0 payoff, X upcard.

You should get a negative EV. Now look at where the EV turns positive on the Custom Bonuses screen, set the TC to that count in Side Bet 1, and you should get a positive EV. Just tried it and it looks OK.
 
Still no

Not working.

Initially I ran this using UB10 with side bet starting at RC>0.
(just be clear - I had placed all 2-6 payoffs as 0:0. my typo from before). EV positive only at RC ~ 11, which is not right (yes, I have included the starting count).

Just to check I now ran this using HiLo, and the custom side bets are negative up to TC=+6, which is off by 3 or so - should be the same index as for insurance.

I have been through this a dozen times but cannot find any misconfigurations...
 
I'm getting the right TC for HiLo. From the menu, select Tools then Export and send me the file.
 
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Thanks,
working now.

Another question - are the AJ bonuses cumulative ? (AJ black and AJ suited, for example)

I need to sim AJ pays 2:1 and AJ black suited pays 3:1
- AJ pays 2:1 is simple enough, 5:10 bonus.
- For AJ black suited (ie AcJc or AsJs) I guess I can approximate with either a double bonus on AJ Spades (30:10), or half the bonus on AJ suited (7:15). I just need to know whether the additional 5:10 from AJ will be added on to this or not.

Thanks

D.
 
Bonuses on the Payoffs page are always cumulative

Bonuses on the Custom Bonuses page are cumulative if the additive option is selected.
 
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