"We ain't in KANSAS any more."

Visited the Boot Hill Casino in Dodge City. Overall a pretty nice place compared to other non Vegas casinos I've been to. Very clean with a good ventilation system that kept the air clean even with several smokers in the area.
They had 2 $5, 1 $10, 1 $15 & 2 $25 tables open on a Thurs night around 10:00 pm. 4 or 5 tables have ASM & I think there were 4 other closed tables. It appeared that all tables had the same rules though I didn't play the $25 tables.

6 deck, H17, Double Any, No DAS, No RSA. Penetration varied a little by dealer but was usually 70% with a best around 75%.
Pit paid very little attention to the action. Lady that had won a few hands playing $15-$25, jumped to 2 blacks with no questions asked. Played til 2:30am and left with a whopping $7.50 profit.

They also had a 3 Card Poker table, Craps table, 00 Roulette and a poker table with a $2-$5 PLH $200 min buy in going. There was talk that they will add more poker tables in one of the bar areas.

http://www.boothillcasino.com
 
No DAS, no RSA, no LS, 70-75%? Mediocre? No, unplayable. I like the idea of a lone poker table in the bar area, though. Sounds like a nice way to pass the time until you can get out of there and to some good games!
 
No DAS in a shoe game !

Are you serious ?

I have never seen that. Not anywhere.

Then again I have never tried to make money in KS !

That just might be playable …
… in an alternative universe …
… where there is 99% pernetration ! ... :whip:
 
Dealer said the No DAS was a state law. The state lottery commission runs the casino via a contract with a gaming company. They did not have any rules posted except that insurance pays 2 to 1 written on the table. I was worried that it may have been a 6 to 5 table since it was not posted but BJ paid 3 to 2. I did not find out about the No DAS until I hit a 3 on my split 8's and tried to double. A guy at the table said they have a DD game when all the tables are full. Not sure of limits or rules.

I'm just a BS player who likes to play when I get a chance. I don't have anywhere within 4 hours of home to play so usually only get a chance to play when traveling or a planned trip to Vegas. The closest I had until this placed opened was some of the Indian casinos in OK where they charge a $0.50 ante per hand to circumvent some state law.

Does the No DAS make it such a HA that a BS player should avoid it at all costs or just go occasionally (3-4 times per year) for entertainment?
Would the No DAS cause any change in BS where you wouldn't split certain pairs in certain situations?
 

Firstly, you are attempting to play a game with an awful House Advantage.

You have virtually no chance.

To oversimplify the matter, you will average losing nearly 1% of moneys bet.

If you play a ½ empty table you'll be getting over 120 hands per hr.

If you wager just $10 per hand, you'll be cycling $2,400 per hour —

with an average expected loss of 1%, which is $24 an hour or about $100 per evening.

As far as Basic Strategy goes the restriction on your doubling on split hands

creates a very conservative Splitting Strategy.

You need to memorize the proper Basic Strategy charts if you

insist on contributing money to this larcenous enterprise.

 
FLASH1296 said:

Firstly, you are attempting to play a game with an awful House Advantage.

You have virtually no chance.

To oversimplify the matter, you will average losing nearly 1% of moneys bet.

If you play a ½ empty table you'll be getting over 120 hands per hr.

If you wager just $10 per hand, you'll be cycling $2,400 per hour —

with an average expected loss of 1%, which is $24 an hour or about $100 per evening.

As far as Basic Strategy goes the restriction on your doubling on split hands

creates a very conservative Splitting Strategy.

You need to memorize the proper Basic Strategy charts if you

insist on contributing money to this larcenous enterprise.
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That's a bit harsh to call it a larcenous enterprise, especially since this is a state lottery venture. Sure the house edge is about .8% but that's still a lot lower than most forms of gambling. This guy is just a BS player and isn't looking to make money. For him this game is fine. The no DAS will actually reduce his variance.

Virtually no chance? That is a bit harsh, as the recreational BS player goes nowhere near playing in the long run.

Sorry for getting in the way of your being condescending to someone who plays BJ for fun.
 
Deathclutch said:
State law in Kansas to not have DAS? I'm not sure if that's what you are saying here, but that is wrong.
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That is what the dealer said when I tried to double after splitting. Maybe he was refering to the "State Owned" casino??? DAS was definetly NOT allowed at Boot Hill in the 6 deck game.
 
Blue Efficacy said:
That's a bit harsh to call it a larcenous enterprise, especially since this is a state lottery venture. Sure the house edge is about .8% but that's still a lot lower than most forms of gambling. This guy is just a BS player and isn't looking to make money. For him this game is fine. The no DAS will actually reduce his variance.

When I input the rules into the Basic Strategy Engine on this site, it came out as .78% house edge, is that correct? It appears the H17 is worth .22% and the No DAS is .12%
If you play perfect Basic Strategy, is there any way besides learning a Level 1 count to knock any of that house edge off? Would tracking the number of Aces out of the shoe provide any help?
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LuckyGuess said:
Blue Efficacy said:
That's a bit harsh to call it a larcenous enterprise, especially since this is a state lottery venture. Sure the house edge is about .8% but that's still a lot lower than most forms of gambling. This guy is just a BS player and isn't looking to make money. For him this game is fine. The no DAS will actually reduce his variance.

When I input the rules into the Basic Strategy Engine on this site, it came out as .78% house edge, is that correct? It appears the H17 is worth .22% and the No DAS is .12%
If you play perfect Basic Strategy, is there any way besides learning a Level 1 count to knock any of that house edge off? Would tracking the number of Aces out of the shoe provide any help?
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Side counting aces is less valuable in a 6D game than it is for DD, not to mention much more difficult.

You'll need at least a level 1 count, and even then without 90% penetration you are fighting a steep uphill battle. Simply counting the aces will not do the trick.

However, if they have any hand shuffle games this could potentially make it a horse of a different color! Emphasis on "potentially."
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LuckyGuess said:
That is what the dealer said when I tried to double after splitting. Maybe he was refering to the "State Owned" casino??? DAS was definetly NOT allowed at Boot Hill in the 6 deck game.
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The deal is that the state lottery owns all the gaming equipment, a company just manages it. The state lottery sets the rules for BJ, and they don't want DAS apparently.
 
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