Blackjack Dealer: I know you're counting

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tensplitter

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I played with a certain dealer who cut less than a deck. When it was heads up late in the night the dealer told me he knew I was counting. I might have had the same dealer last session. The next shoe he only cut half a deck. I tipped him $25 at the end since I had good variance and I felt like he was on my side (or maybe he is also an AP). Hopefully he stays on my side when I see him in the future.
 
It's very common

tensplitter said:
I played with a certain dealer who cut less than a deck. When it was heads up late in the night the dealer told me he knew I was counting. I might have had the same dealer last session. The next shoe he only cut half a deck. I tipped him $25 at the end since I had good variance and I felt like he was on my side (or maybe he is also an AP). Hopefully he stays on my side when I see him in the future.
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He might be bluffing, can be a counter... He is giving you good pen because he wants good tips.. Casino may suspect that you are in collusion with dealer. Know your stand before playing the dealer again ..
 
Does the dealer keep their own tips? Or does the dealer share it with the other dealers?

When the dealers have to share amongst many for their tips, I find it less enticing to tip big.
 
flyingwind said:
Does the dealer keep their own tips? Or does the dealer share it with the other dealers?

When the dealers have to share amongst many for their tips, I find it less enticing to tip big.
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I believe they share. I agree. How could they care when the tip you give is divided between all the dealers?
 
It vary per casino

21Menace said:
I believe they share. I agree. How could they care when the tip you give is divided between all the dealers?
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Mostly big casino, dealer split the tokes.
In some casino, floor also has some % in tokes.
In smaller ones, dealer keep their tokes.

You can easily spot it when dealer brings their own toke box during rotation..
 
NightStalker said:
Mostly big casino, dealer split the tokes.
In some casino, floor also has some % in tokes.
In smaller ones, dealer keep their tokes.

You can easily spot it when dealer brings their own toke box during rotation..
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Oh ya I have seen those at a few casinos
 
NightStalker said:
He might be bluffing, can be a counter... He is giving you good pen because he wants good tips.. Casino may suspect that you are in collusion with dealer. Know your stand before playing the dealer again ..
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True, but giving good pen is not an illegal collusion and the only one in jeopardy is the dealer, not the player.
 
Automatic Monkey said:
True, but giving good pen is not an illegal collusion and the only one in jeopardy is the dealer, not the player.
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Now if a dealer said "i know you're a hole carder" and flashes you the card better... I'd be outta there in a hurry.

But them cutting the shoe deeper? That's not cheating or illegal. They're breaking house policy and could be fired for that, but that's about it.

Figure out what the extra pen is worth and tip accordingly to keep getting the preferential treatment.
 
You're fine.

That's an enlightened dealer, knowing that he's doing something legal to help out an AP, perhaps in exchange for tips, or just a more pleasant game. Why would he care if you're a counter? It's not his money, and it's not his job to spot them. He runs the risk of being warned for providing too-thin pen, but I doubt that carries many repercussions.
 
johndoe said:
You're fine.

That's an enlightened dealer, knowing that he's doing something legal to help out an AP, perhaps in exchange for tips, or just a more pleasant game. Why would he care if you're a counter? It's not his money, and it's not his job to spot them. He runs the risk of being warned for providing too-thin pen, but I doubt that carries many repercussions.
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They might notice that his table loses money or doesn't make as much as expected on certain nights consistently.

He never flashes his hole card so that's out of the picture.

I feel that only counters can accurately spot other counters. Ploppies raise and lower their bets randomly, and can look like a counter based on their betting without taking the count into account, but a counter can spot others raising their bets based on the count.
 
tensplitter said:
They might notice that his table loses money or doesn't make as much as expected on certain nights consistently.

He never flashes his hole card so that's out of the picture.

I feel that only counters can accurately spot other counters. Ploppies raise and lower their bets randomly, and can look like a counter based on their betting without taking the count into account, but a counter can spot others raising their bets based on the count.
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It would be a very long time before the table's hold would show that a counter was always playing there. Unless he's spreading up to the table max, it really shouldn't even have much of an effect.
 
moo321 said:
It would be a very long time before the table's hold would show that a counter was always playing there. Unless he's spreading up to the table max, it really shouldn't even have much of an effect.
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I agree with Moo. There is a very small chance they would ever catch on to that specific dealer/table losing slightly more money than others unless he was SERIOUSLY spreading.

I was playing at the Mirage one day and after about 20 minutes into a new dealers shift (heads up) he says, "You're being too obvious". I responded sounding confused and he said "It's your insurance bets that give you away. I mean yeah you wanna take them cause theres so many tens but it's pretty obvious". So I thanked him and left
 
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