cardenorders
Member
Ditto.
Are you somehow saying it's possible to more than overcome the 6:5 disadvantage due to the relative simplicity of counting only 1 or 2 decks (assuming decent pen). Intrigued by this...
6:5 display not required anymore?
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Ditto.
Are you somehow saying it's possible to more than overcome the 6:5 disadvantage due to the relative simplicity of counting only 1 or 2 decks (assuming decent pen). Intrigued by this...
Lonesome Gambler
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No, they're talking about beating the game using advanced methods that may or may not involve counting. The game can be beaten with a modified count and massive spread though, but I'm not sure why anyone would go to the trouble of that route, to be honest.
cardenorders
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As I suspected - thank you Sir.
WrongWayWade
Active Member
In Paris, the 6:5 payout is displayed in REALLY tiny type on their video screen that shows the game description, limits, etc. But I've seen the exact same thing you are describing at Planet Hollyw00d. No notice at all about 6:5.
And they will 6:5 you at the Harrah's properties at CSM and 8-deck tables as well as single deck, if it is in a 'party pit'. I think Rio has had the innovation for quite a while now of the 'party pit' with 1:1 payouts on blackjacks.
On the Vegas Strip I boycott all Harrah's properties and frequent the MGM properties for this exact reason. In Aria they have zero tables with 6:5 payouts.
Until 6:5 blackjack came along, single deck BJ had pretty much become an endangered species, with fewer and fewer SD games of ANY kind being offered ANYWHERE; other than in northern Nevada (and even THERE, they were STARTING to dry up).
With the proliferation of 6:5 BJ in Vegas, viola! The players who specialized in single deck were finally back in business!
StudiodeKadent
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I agree with you.
I should also add that Bellagio has zero 6:5 tables as well.
MGM Grand DOES have single-deck 6:5 but it is clearly marked and you can get liberal S17 rules there for $15 per hand during midweek daytimes.
MGM stores also pay 6:5 at Party Pits (really, I think its fair to have a higher house edge on these pits, but 6:5 is excessive; it would be better to just impose Reno rules (i.e. doubling restricted to hard totals of 10 or 11)), but again, the payout is clearly marked on the felt.
MGM aren't perfect but they are far superior to Harrah's/Caesar's.
StudiodeKadent
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On the other hand, single deck BJ does not NEED the obscene house edge of 6:5 Blackjack in order for a casino to be able to offer it.
Why?
Casinos in Vegas still offer $10 H17 tables with otherwise liberal rules. This game has a house edge of 0.48%. If casinos can offer THIS game and still make a profit from it, then they can easily offer $10 1d H17 D10/11 DAS nRSA NS games (these rules give the same house edge as 6d H17 tables).
We all know there are suckers and sucker games. But it is perfectly reasonable to point out there are plenty of other ways to make a 3:2 Single Deck game profitable.
The idea that the "only" way to make SD avaliable was to impose 6:5 payouts is incorrect.
Except their comp system is really awful compared with HET/CET, which is surprising for such a large company.
BTW, I've seen 8D H17 6:5 games with $50 mins, outside the party pit, at Mand bay.
StudiodeKadent
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Its a trade-off; better gaming conditions (and cooler places), fewer comps. Of course we'd all love more generous comps, but in my mind the trade-off is worth it.
Your mileage may vary and I can understand if it does.
That's unfortunate. However, Mandalay also has $10-$15 liberal strip rules during midweek. Harrah's in Vegas (at any of their properties) never stand on soft seventeen for less than $100 per hand, IIRC.
MGM do indeed offer some tables with appalling conditions, but they can (so far) be avoided. They at least offer some tables with very good conditions, too.
Or better yet just offer regular DOA single deck like El Cortez with a sucker side bet like Royal Match.
Good for them.
As long as there are sheep out there someone will be glad to shear them.
When you think about it, people play black chips at roulette all the time and even SINGLE ZERO roulette has a higher hold than 6-5.
:joker:
StudiodeKadent
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Or better yet just offer regular DOA single deck like El Cortez with a sucker side bet like Royal Match.
El Cortez can offer those conditions because... well... to put it politely... their gambling environment is very much no-frills.
They also have quite a few players of the... ahem.... "unintelligent desperado" type.
I hope I'm not sounding like a pretentious, patronizing douche.
I'm willing to pay a bit more for the atmosphere, good and strong free cocktails, and aesthetically pleasing surroundings (and cocktail waitresses).
Thats not the whole story. EC can offer those games because the casino and hotel were paid for years ago and they don't have a heavy monthly vig to pay their bankers and /or investors.
As far as cocktail service goes, I'd put the ECs drinks up with any.EC wants a $25 minimum bet to get premium liquor. Try that at MGM.
The patrons at the EC are no more "unintelligant desperado" than you'll find in most casinos, only not as attractive or well dressed.
Jack_Black
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yes I'm sure. that's why I started the thread in the first place. when was the last time you were there?
I kinda forgot about this thread. has no one called gaming? I will call them next week after the new years if no one has.
aslan
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The following comment is without any knowledge, just a guess. But I assume the only reason we don't have 10 deckers is because the dealers cannot handle the turn and the length of the shoe is probably more/too difficult to work with. However, should they invent an ASM-shoe combination (no turning, no manual handling, and shoe backed partly off the table), they may move to larger shoes yet.
average once a week.