beating vegas
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tip a little and get a water with a lime in it
how to pretend you are not a counter ?
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tip a little and get a water with a lime in it
yesiamred
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I agree but it's always so damned cold in casino's that I eand up wearing sweaters & hoodies just to be comfortable. Maybe they would let me bring my microwaveable heat pack with me to set on my lap so I can wear tanks and revealing tops!
Ta Ta
What I would do is go off bs, by standing on 16 against the 7 or 16 against the 10. When the count is high standing on 16,and the dealer has a 10 is the right choice. I study counting from Andy Bloch.
Harry
I have a shirt from one of the BJ21 green chip parties with Don's I-18 on the back complete with index numbers...probably wouldn't go over too well.
zengrifter
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I've worn my GC 2000 hat in play many times. zg
aslan
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Exactly.so you get 15 or 16 vs dealers 10 upcard-scratch your forehead look a bit confused and ask the dealer "what would you do"?:joker::laugh:
bjcardcounter
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Ask the Pit Boss where to get the tokens (do not tell 'Chips' , he/she will correct you) for cash to play at the green table.
Have a BS card out in front and refer to it once a while.
Have a BS card out in front and refer to it once a while.
Ferretnparrot
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-Get hammered, or be good at pretending to be hammered.
-buy in with stack of 20s instead of hundreds
-sing while playing
-be chatty with other players
-touch the cards
-ask advice from other players
-flip a coin to make close call index plays
-always be super stoked, or super bummed out
-act like you have a gambling problem/drug addiction and you may stab the next person that looks at you funny, this makes people stay away from you.
-play games other than bj in the same pit prior to playing bj by buying chips from other games.
-dont shuffle chips
-color up randomly to reduce your "Stack"
-occasionally make refference to and use progressive betting systems
-talk a lot about winning your money back
-dont look at the cards
-bet erratically for no reason occasionally especially off the top
-employ opposition betting schemes
-use cover plays
-buy in with stack of 20s instead of hundreds
-sing while playing
-be chatty with other players
-touch the cards
-ask advice from other players
-flip a coin to make close call index plays
-always be super stoked, or super bummed out
-act like you have a gambling problem/drug addiction and you may stab the next person that looks at you funny, this makes people stay away from you.
-play games other than bj in the same pit prior to playing bj by buying chips from other games.
-dont shuffle chips
-color up randomly to reduce your "Stack"
-occasionally make refference to and use progressive betting systems
-talk a lot about winning your money back
-dont look at the cards
-bet erratically for no reason occasionally especially off the top
-employ opposition betting schemes
-use cover plays
Uh.....really? This looks like it came right out of the squares tips on how to count undetected. Dude maybe there's a reason you got your ass handed to you, and got it backed off so damn much in Vegas. Apparently this advice ain't cutting it. Most of the superficial bullshit doesn't register at all with the pit one way or the other. Its only in the counters mind that all this nonsense is making themselves "invisible" to the pit. And lay the f**k off all the cover play crap. Play for max profit and get the f**k out. If you get nailed at least you didn't weaken your game. Fitting in with the crowd doesn't mean you have to lose with em too.
kewljason
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Along this same thought, I get a kick out of the things people say at the table for cover purposes. Asking how to play hands ect. Any 'oral' cover is wasted on surveilance. They can't hear a word of it. They are only looking for one thing...bet correlation to the count. I still think the best 'cover' is short sessions.
Watch what the ploppies do. Listen to what the ploppies say. I really think that I've learned more from the ploppies than I have from anyone or anything else.
The thing I like most about this job is the fact that I get to hone my acting skills. I think I'm getting pretty good at it. Sometimes when I put on my "steaming" act even my PARTNERS think I've gone off the deep end.
The thing I like most about this job is the fact that I get to hone my acting skills. I think I'm getting pretty good at it. Sometimes when I put on my "steaming" act even my PARTNERS think I've gone off the deep end.
QFIT
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(Dead link: http://www.blackjackinfo.com/name/nm0828676/) _Lt. Col. Charles R. Codman_: You know General, sometimes the men don't know when you're acting.
(Dead link: http://www.blackjackinfo.com/name/nm0001715/) _Patton_: It's not important for them to know. It's only important for me to know.
aslan
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I wholly agree with one caveat, unless you're already betting big, surveillance will likely not be watching you, but the pit will. The more they accept you as an average ploppy the better, so they won't ask surveillance to evaluate your play. Once you raise to max bet, of course, all bets are off. Getting out quickly is prudent advice.Along this same thought, I get a kick out of the things people say at the table for cover purposes. Asking how to play hands ect. Any 'oral' cover is wasted on surveilance. They can't hear a word of it. They are only looking for one thing...bet correlation to the count. I still think the best 'cover' is short sessions.
I think Ferret makes some good points. His advice for cover probably doesn't do much after you get some attention from big bets, but certainly will make a favorable first impression. After reading one of his earlier posts I went to Walmart and bought a "white trash" costume. It has to be better than walking in looking like a MIT student.
I think looking a bit scary has other benefits. I am hoping people won't talk to me as much, as I can't hold the count through conversations all that well. Also, I have decided that this new person I invented doesn't tip more than a dollar. Tipping too much is becoming a problem for me. Lastly, this "white trash" guy I invented wears a hat and sunglasses which will help with HCing.
As a low stakes counter, I don't get noticed much. Playing $5-$10 games, it seems like you are ok as long as you keep it under $100. When TC hits +5 the $200 bets come out, "checks in play" gets called, and the winnings roll in I leave after the shoe. I'll hit a different pit or play poker. I always feel like going back to $5 or $10 after drawing that kind of attention is a terrible idea.
I think looking a bit scary has other benefits. I am hoping people won't talk to me as much, as I can't hold the count through conversations all that well. Also, I have decided that this new person I invented doesn't tip more than a dollar. Tipping too much is becoming a problem for me. Lastly, this "white trash" guy I invented wears a hat and sunglasses which will help with HCing.
As a low stakes counter, I don't get noticed much. Playing $5-$10 games, it seems like you are ok as long as you keep it under $100. When TC hits +5 the $200 bets come out, "checks in play" gets called, and the winnings roll in I leave after the shoe. I'll hit a different pit or play poker. I always feel like going back to $5 or $10 after drawing that kind of attention is a terrible idea.
aslan
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Going back to $5 or $10 is a bad idea, but if you think your play (40X) is sufficient to draw heat, why would you move to another pit in the same casino? If your play did get their attention, not only would your former play probably be evaluated from the tape, but your new play in the second pit would likely be evaluated in real-time. I'd never leave a game to avoid heat and straightaway move to a different pit.
I've noticed, too, that stores that offer $5 games, are usually sweatier at their $5 games than larger stores are at their $25 games. $200 bets at a $5 table after a period of flat betting will draw lots of heat at any place I've ever played. You'd better have an act like Houdini to keep them from ID-ing you as a counter.
Many casinos will not let you wear sunglasses at a BJ table, especially a pitch game. They are concerned about you dabbing something on the cards invisible to the naked eye, but visible thru the tinted lenses.
mathman
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I had an interesting evening myself that goes right along with this thought. I was playing spanish 21. This game is usually a $5 table however it was $10 today because of the holiday. I got a decent count and up went the hands and bets. I won almost every hand in that run. Immediately the pit boss, who usually is cool, parks himself on the corner of the table and hangs out for quite awhile. He normally is talkitive but today was quiet and just watched my play. As it went things went back to negative so I was flat betting $10 and after a bit he gave up and walked away. I was surprised because he usually is fairly tolerant and the fact that it was Spanish 21. I have been hitting that game everytime I play lately so I'm guessing they're finally catching on. That thought sucks because I enjoy that game as a diversion from regular BJ. Might be time to give it a rest for a bit...JtMM
I would agree that it is better to leave, but I think this:
staying put < moving to a different pit < leaving
My thought is that if this is the first time I have broke the $100 bet barrier, I have just barely made it onto the radar of the PB. By leaving his sight he forgets about me for the moment. Do you really think they call surveillance at that point? I would doubt it. Have only been at it for about 6 weeks though so I could be wrong.
I am hoping I don't get backed off from my home casino, but going to a smaller spread will lower my expected hourly rate. Since it is an hour away, I would quickly approach the break even point when travel costs are considered. I guess I could play longer sessions at lower spreads but the wife needs me home for dinner!