Rivers started using i-Tables

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Mewtwo

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Some of the tables they added during their table games expansion were converted into these. The limits were $10-$500, but you can only play one spot/one hand. Otherwise the rules are the same as normal. No side bets were available as of the time I played.
 
Parx had iTables for about 6 months and recently pulled them out. Big waste of money for the casino. Slows the game down tremendously, besides the big fee to Shufflemaster.
 
Automatic Monkey said:
Those Parx I-tables had some great pen though!
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I did notice they were giving slightly more pen than usual at the Rivers ones. Not a HUGE difference...

...but maybe that they have them at a $5 minimum (for a shoe game!) half the time might influence things also?
 
Why are those electronic tables used ? The only reason I could think of would be (if I were to run a casino) to measure betting and strategy correlation against on perfect compositional play. Counters would be identified in no time, independent of their complexity of counts.

One reason to never count on internet live dealers.
 
MangoJ said:
Why are those electronic tables used ? The only reason I could think of would be (if I were to run a casino) to measure betting and strategy correlation against on perfect compositional play. Counters would be identified in no time, independent of their complexity of counts.

One reason to never count on internet live dealers.
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The big thing the dealers mentioned to me was snuffing out player miscommunication - "No, I wanted to stand, not take a hit" when they gave an ambiguous or the wrong hand signal. They can track average bet and when bet jumps, yes, so obviously unrated short sessions if you play these, but heat is far less at the Rivers than I would have expected. No comment and not even a glance from the pit crew at a 1-30 spread.
 
Waste of Money

It's a waste of money for the casino. A skilled player really does not have much to fear, just outsmart the dumb machine.

good cards:joker::whip:
 
blackjack avenger said:
It's a waste of money for the casino. A skilled player really does not have much to fear, just outsmart the dumb machine.

good cards:joker::whip:
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Agreed. Just Shufflemaster marketing fear and paranoia to the dumb casino bosses who lose millions, maybe even billions, to APs every year :laugh:
 
labor costs went to the machines.......

Mewtwo said:
Some of the tables they added during their table games expansion were converted into these. The limits were $10-$500, but you can only play one spot/one hand. Otherwise the rules are the same as normal. No side bets were available as of the time I played.
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I will try a few rounds just to try it, CANT BEAT CHIPS IN HAND
 
I miss the i-Tables at Parx. I made a lot of money there till I got backed off. They can easily detect if you're counting and presumably alert the pit if your winnings exceed a certain amount.
 
alwayssplitaces said:
I miss the i-Tables at Parx. I made a lot of money there till I got backed off. They can easily detect if you're counting and presumably alert the pit if your winnings exceed a certain amount.
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I wouldn't mind the i-Tables as much if this functionality were illegal. If the casino is sticking by the explanation of "we want to reduce miscommunication between dealers and players", it's a shame it can't be put into practice that's all they're allowed to use it for - the shoe not being allowed to track the count, player betting patterns, etc.
 
i-tables???????????

Maybe i just dont get out enough. To busy working and seeing doctors about medical condition(cancer). What is an i-table and should I be trying to find them or running for the exits when I see them. Most often get to play on the way to or from an eye cancer specialist I see in Philly. I travel up I95 from Maryland. Are there any around that travel pattern?
 
tthree said:
Maybe i just dont get out enough. To busy working and seeing doctors about medical condition(cancer). What is an i-table and should I be trying to find them or running for the exits when I see them. Most often get to play on the way to or from an eye cancer specialist I see in Philly. I travel up I95 from Maryland. Are there any around that travel pattern?
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Unfortunately, I-95 is the best way. I assume you are taking the bypass around Wilmington?
 
Harrah's Chester is a great store, exit 8 off I-95 in PA. No i-Tables there.

I wish the PA law specified that i-Tables cannot be used to automatically count the cards, but casinos would be against that and wouldn't order the i-Tables in the first place. Parx definitely used it as a counter trap, since the i-Tables had 6 deck shoes with an exposed discard tray and 5/6 pen. Combine that with the great PA rules and the higher speed of the game, and that's a high SCORE game that counters would flock to.
 
21forme said:
Counters still flocked to them and several I know had no problems with those tables.
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It has the same rule as the regular tables, only faster. There are many factors contributing to the faster game: no chip exchange, patrons lock their actions before their turns, computer add the total for the dealer etc.

As long as casino don't use machine to catch counters, it is good for AP.
 
In the first few months, there were many misdeals at the Parx i-Tables. Sometimes it was the dealer's fault, sometimes the machine didn't read a card, sometimes a card got jammed, and one time a player spilled his drink on the machine. The misdeals slowed down the game, which negated the increase in speed.
 
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